Goldman Sachs Group Inc (GS) — Q4 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Thank you all for joining us. I am very pleased with our strong performance in the fourth quarter. We generated earnings per share of $14.1, an ROE of 16%, and an RoTE of 17.1%. For the full year, we delivered earnings per share of $51.32, a 27% increase versus last year, and ROE of 15% and ROTE of 16%. Before we review our financials in detail, I want to discuss our longer-term performance and provide an update to you on our strategy. Beginning on page one, in 2020, we held the firm's first investor day and laid out a clear and comprehensive strategy to grow and strengthen the firm. We also set a number of targets so we would be held accountable for our progress. Since then, guided by our purpose to be the most exceptional financial institution in the world, supported by our four values of client service, integrity, partnership, and excellence, we continue to successfully execute on this strategy. We increased firm-wide revenues by roughly 60%. We grew EPS by 144%. We improved our returns by 500 basis points. And we delivered a total shareholder return of over 340%, the most of our peer group over this time frame. As you can see on page two, we achieved this while also materially improving the risk profile of the firm and enhancing the resilience of our earnings. We have doubled our more durable revenues. We have reduced historical principal investments by over 90% from roughly $64 billion down to $6 billion. The results of these multiyear efforts to scale capital-light businesses and reduce our capital intensity were reflected in our most recent CCAR stress test, where we've driven a 320 basis point improvement in our stress capital buffer. Overall, we have strengthened and grown the firm through a relentless focus on delivering excellence to our clients. Turning to page three, I want to highlight our strong execution in 2025. Our success is fueled by our world-class interconnected franchises that deliver one Goldman Sachs to our clients around the globe. In global banking and markets, we maintained our position as the number one M&A adviser in investment banking and number one equities franchise alongside our leading position in FICC. We improved our standing with the top 150 clients in these businesses, which has contributed to 350 basis points of wallet share gain in GBM since 2019. We significantly increased our more durable FICC and equity financing revenues, which grew to a new record of $11.4 billion for the year and generated returns in excess of 16% in the segment. In asset wealth management, we are a top-five active asset manager, a leading alternatives franchise, and a premier ultra-high-net-worth wealth manager. We've consistently grown more durable management, other fees, and private banking and lending revenues, which were both records in 2025. And also raised a record $115 billion in alternatives. Our strong execution has led to improvement in both the margins and the returns in this segment. Importantly, we're taking the final steps needed to narrow our strategic focus. In addition to completing the transition of the General Motors credit card program last August, last week, we announced an agreement to transition the Apple Card portfolio...

Thank you, David. And good morning. Let's start with our results on page 16 of the presentation. In the fourth quarter, we generated revenues of $13.5 billion, earnings per share of $14.01, an ROE of 16%, and an RoTE of 17.1%. For the full year, we delivered earnings per share of $51.32, a 27% increase versus last year. An ROE of 15% and an RoTE of 16%, improving 230 and 250 basis points, respectively, compared to 2024. As David mentioned, we announced an agreement to transition the Apple Card portfolio. For the quarter, the transition had a net positive impact of $0.46 to EPS and 50 basis points to ROE, as a $2.3 billion revenue reduction was more than offset by a $2.5 billion reserve release upon moving the portfolio to held for sale. Given that we are taking our final steps to narrow our strategic focus, you will have seen we implemented minor organizational changes and made corresponding updates to our segments, which are incorporated in our earnings presentation today...

Hi. Thanks very much. Great thoughts and detail in there. One narrow one first. I guess I'll ask it simply. How do you plan to scale wealth from here? And I want to include that if you could. Your aspirations. Meaning, we had a little experiment with United Capital, but, like, you're amazing in ultra-high-net-worth. And I'm curious about the rest of wealth. You've done a couple of things in RIA land, so maybe we could talk about that and then zoom out after that. Thanks.

Sure. And I appreciate the question, Glenn. I think our ultra-high-net-worth franchise is extraordinary. I think we have a leading position here in the United States. Strong position, but obviously with room for more share and footprint in Europe and in Asia. But I think it's a highly differentiated offering for wealthy individuals and people that have very, very complex needs from a wealth perspective. That business scales with people. You heard in and technology. But you heard in our remarks that we're continuing to invest in broadening the footprint and the coverage available and the resources to expand that ultra-high-net-worth footprint. As you point out, we did do an experiment with United Capital, but we've reached the conclusion that the right way for us, given our manufacturing capability and asset management, is to really explore broader access to wealth through third-party wealth channels. And so I think you know we're making very significant investments in our third-party wealth capability. That includes partnerships with RIAs and footprint with RIAs. And we have great product manufacturing capability. We can use others' distribution very, very effectively given our brand and our very, very complete diverse product offering. And that will help us continue to scale. But in direct full-service product wealth, we're going to stick with ultra-high-net-worth wealth. And what's interesting is obviously, you've got a bunch of secular things going on that are growing the available people that need these services. You have a huge generational wealth transfer that's going on that's bringing a whole new generation into these services. And it's a very fragmented business, and we think we have a very differentiated offering with lots of upside. And look, you heard what we said about our capabilities and wealth and our target to continue to grow those long-term fee-based wealth assets by 5% as we go forward.

Good morning. I guess maybe just sticking with the true cycle ROE, David, maybe the other end of the spectrum when I talk to investors, given that the stock trading, given the performance you've had, and two structural things seem to be happening at Goldman Sachs. One is obviously, the regulatory backdrop changing is creating more capital flexibility. And the productivity focus that you had double down with the Goldman Sachs 3.0, is it fair for a shareholder to assume that absent, like, big peaks in falls, that the business is rebasing to maybe something better than mid-teens returns towards closer to high teens? Or is that sort of misplaced and misunderstanding kind of the business dynamics?

Well, I appreciate the question, and look, our goal is gonna continue to be to work very, very hard to do everything we can to continue to take the returns higher. We were very pointed in our comments on the last slide in that presentation that we're reaffirming our mid-teens targets. You know, I certainly remember it. It's not that many quarters ago where many people on this call would ask questions about how we were going to get to the teens. So we've arrived. I think we were pointed in saying, this is an environment where the potential to be positioned to exceed targets in the near term is there, but as the previous set of questions just pointed out, there'll be other environments where there could be headwinds. So I think we're very comfortable that we are operating as a mid-teens firm. We think that we can do things that over time will drive upside to that, but we're not going to set targets until we're very comfortable that we further elevated the firm. I think one of the most important things coming out of the presentation is the next step in our asset wealth management journey to tell you that given the work we've done and the progress we've made, we now have more confidence that we can operate that business at a higher margin, 30%, which drives a higher return. And so we're comfortable putting that target out. And that, of course, elevates the overall performance of the firm. The other thing I just want to highlight that comes out of your comment is people think about the regulatory environment as changing the capital rules and giving us more capital flexibility. But I'd also highlight the regulatory environment in the last five years put costs and burdens on the firm that we now won't have going forward that actually gives us flexibility to invest over time in other things that drive growth. So it's not just the capital stuff, that's important. It's also the fact that we and others in the industry were burdened by additional costs that now can be directed to what I call more productive growth and return for our clients and for our shareholders.

Hi, good morning. I hate framing this question this way, but I can't think of a better way to frame it. In terms of the capital market cycle ahead, what quote inning are we in? And as investors think about the scale of potential upside to Goldman? Maybe compare and contrast the preconditions that you see for the capital markets backdrop in 2026 with 2021. And I'm only asking this question as investors try to think about the EPS potential of your company. And I think 2021 was is sort of seen as a ceiling in terms of what you could produce in this business.

I'll give you a couple of things, Erika, to think about, and I appreciate the question. You know, the first thing I'd just say is as a student of these businesses for decades and decades and decades, I would bet you that 2021 is not the ceiling. That doesn't mean that in this cycle, we surpass 2021 because things can change and things can go wrong. But this business, when you go back and you step out and you look over twenty-five, thirty years, there's not a ceiling that hasn't been exceeded at some point down the road as you run through cycles. And I'm sure given the growth in market capital world and activity, the 2021 activity levels will be exceeded again. They might be exceeded in 2026. You know, there was a slide that my team was showing me that shows a range of outcomes, including a conservative outcome for M&A, a base outcome for M&A, and a bull outcome for M&A. And the base outcome is pretty close to 2021, and the bull outcome is ahead of 2021. I think the world is set up at the moment to be incredibly constructive in 2026 for M&A and capital markets activity. And I think the likely scenario is it is a very, very good year for M&A and capital markets activity. What could change that? Something could go on in the world, some sort of an exogenous event or a macro event that changes the sentiment. If you look at 2025, we saw that in April. For a period of time, and things got slowed down. Don't think that's the likely outcome. But it's certainly in the distribution as a possibility. But I do think that we are, you know, not yet in the middle of the potential for a full-on M&A and sponsor cycle. And I think over the next few years, barring some sort of an exogenous event that slows it down, we're gonna have a pretty constructive environment for those activities given the combination of fiscal, monetary, capital investment, deregulatory stimulus. You've got this combination of stimulus activity that I think is pretty constructive for these businesses. Erika, a couple things I'd add on that just to supplement everything David said. If you look at sort of industry-wide volumes of the various categories of investment banking activities compared to, say, the last five years, a number of them have started to trend above the average level. One that's decidedly below the averages remains the IPO business for equity. That's a lucrative business that, you know, we have a very long-standing leadership position in. And it's also the case that while, you know, some of the debt activities have been trending up in terms of overall volumes, we still haven't seen enormous volumes of sponsor capital committed deals or, you know, large-cap capital committed investment-grade activity. So there still remains, you know, other types of transaction activity as we progress through the cycle that is, you know, very strategic to clients, things that Goldman Sachs is very good at executing, you know, that could further propel upside across the capital markets line items.

Hi, good morning. Just continuing on this theme, I wanted to understand a little bit about how the equities markets, revenues, and the fixed income revenues are aligned with the issuance calendar. Just wondering how much of the issuance that's going on is those two line items as well, or is issuance all within banking?

So, thank you for the question, Betsy. I'm not sure I understood the very tail end of your question, but maybe I'll start off answering it, and then you can redirect me. I think across our FIC and equity businesses, we obviously have a very diversified portfolio of activities, both intermediation and financing. Even with intermediation, diversified by asset class, by cash, derivatives, and equities. And I think there are contributions that the primary market activity makes to enhance the overall liquidity provision secondary market making opportunity set. But my own view is that we'll continue to see an increase in the overall level of capital markets activity. And if that pulls through as well as we hope and expect, that should catalyze incremental levels of activity across intermediation activities as investors even more dynamically work to assess their existing secondary market portfolio versus quote unquote making room for primary, etcetera. So I think there remains opportunity on in that front as we move into 2026.