Intuitive Surgical Inc (ISRG) — Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Good afternoon, and welcome to Intuitive's Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. With me today, we have Dave Rosa, our CEO; and Jamie Samath, our CFO. Before we begin, I would like to inform you that comments mentioned on today's call may be deemed to contain forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied as a result of certain risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties are described in our Securities and Exchange Commission filings, including our most recent 10-K filed on January 31, 2025, and Form 10-Q filed on April 23, 2025. Our SEC filings can be found through our website or at the SEC's website. Investors are cautioned not to place undue reliance on such forward-looking statements. Please note that this conference call will be available for audio replay on our website at intuitive.com on the Events section under our Investor Relations page. Today's press release and supplementary financial data tables have been posted to our website. Today's format will consist of providing you with highlights of our second quarter results as described in our press release announced earlier today, followed by a question-and-answer session. Dave will review business and operational highlights. Jamie will provide a review of our financial results and procedure highlights. I will review clinical highlights and discuss our updated financial outlook for 2025. And finally, we will host a question-and-answer session. With that, I will turn it over to Dave.

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today. Before we proceed, I'd like to take a moment to recognize and thank Gary Guthart. As you know, after more than 15 years as Intuitive's CEO, Gary transitioned to Executive Chair of the Board earlier this month. It's been a privilege to work alongside Gary for nearly 30 years. We joined within a month of each other as engineers at what was a tiny California-based company in 1996, where a small group of us developed the first da Vinci prototype. Since then, we have worked together with many extraordinary colleagues to build a company that is today a global enterprise, employing more than 16,000 people, supporting over 11,000 robotic systems across 74 countries with over 17 million procedures performed. On behalf of the patients, surgeons and care teams we support, our employees and so many other stakeholders, we thank Gary for his leadership at Intuitive and his contributions to advancing minimally invasive care. I am grateful for the strong foundation he's created and honored to serve as Intuitive's next CEO. I'm excited to lead the company forward as we continue to advance the Quintuple Aim and deliver value for our stakeholders. Moving to the business. Our financial metrics were strong in the second quarter with solid procedure growth and capital placements despite ongoing macro challenges in certain international markets. Our teams achieved significant milestones across our ecosystem of products and services while navigating dynamic market conditions globally. Our product operations teams continue to build capacity and deliver for our customers while optimizing production costs within our existing manufacturing and supply chain footprint. Our research and development efforts continue to build momentum in the quarter. Our newest platform, da Vinci 5, is in broad launch in the United States and received clearances in Europe and Japan, where we will begin measured launches. We are pleased with customer feedback and adoption of our newer platforms and remain committed to supporting high-quality, minimally invasive care with a comprehensive and impactful product portfolio. Reviewing procedure performance, da Vinci procedure growth in the quarter was 17%. Benign general surgery led U.S. procedure growth with a strong contribution from after-hours procedures, while international growth was led by non-urology procedures. Regional performance highlights included strength in India, Korea and distribution markets. Jamie will provide further details on procedure dynamics later in the call. Turning to capital. We placed 395 da Vinci systems, including 180 da Vinci 5 systems and 23 SP systems. Capital placements were strong in the U.S., while macro challenges in Japan, China and Europe continued. We also placed 54 Ion systems in the quarter. System utilization, defined as procedures per installed clinical system per quarter grew 2% year-over-year for our multiport platforms and accelerated to 30% and 8% for SP and Ion, respectively. Moving to our finances. Revenue growth of 21% reflects solid procedure performance and capital placements and a benefit from higher purchase mix. Product margins and operating expenses were slightly favorable to our expectations. Turning to our Multiport business. Da Vinci 5 has been an important addition to our robotic surgical system portfolio with more than 100,000 procedures performed to date in what had been a measured U.S. launch. We are pleased to offer da Vinci 5 broadly in the United States. Commercialization in Europe and Japan will be measured as we work through additional clearances to fully enable the da Vinci 5 ecosystem. We also added to our advanced energy instrument portfolio with 510(k) clearance for vessel sealer curved, giving surgeons greater precision in narrow anatomical spaces. Additionally, we received a procedure clearance for tracheal bronchoplasty, a surgical treatment for a collapsed trachea and main bronchi during normal breathing. With respect to our digital ecosystem, customers continue to collect and publish data about force feedback and other aspects of da Vinci 5 through their use of case insights. Dan will highlight some of this data later in the call. Since launching dual console capability with da Vinci Si in 2009, we have developed a range of digital collaboration tools for our customers. We believe these telecollaboration capabilities can advance clinician training, enhance patient care and optimize care delivery. Intuitive Telepresence with our latest hub software will enable customers to use on-demand scheduling, connecting easily with a known group of peers, similar to the favorite screen on your phone. Last week, at the Society of Robotic Surgery Conference, Doug Stoddard, Director of Surgery and Robotics at Christus Health; and Dr. Andrea Pakula, Medical Director of Robotic Surgery at Adventist Health, performed a telesurgery demonstration between Atlanta and Strasberg on an advanced tissue model using da Vinci 5, including force feedback. While the long-term opportunity for telesurgery is potentially significant, we recognize that achieving safe, consistent adoption will require robust cybersecurity and privacy infrastructure, new workflows at hospitals, revised medical and legal policies and appropriate business economics. As with our approach to innovation broadly, our work here is focused on applying our experience and expertise to deliver safe, meaningful grounded solutions that address real-world healthcare challenges. Turning to SP. Procedure growth was strong at 88% year-over-year, with growth accelerating in Korea. We are still early in our European launch and are pleased with progress to date. Our SP team achieved several milestones, including receiving clearance for our 50-use endoscope, along with 510(k) clearance for transanal local excision and resection, adding to a suite of transabdominal colorectal procedures. Our priorities for SP in the near term include additional indications in the U.S., expansion in international markets, enhancing core capability and improving product costs. Moving to Ion. Procedures grew 52% to approximately 35,000 in the quarter. We recently sold our first systems in Australia and Korea and performed our first commercial procedures. Our priorities for Ion in the near term are supporting utilization growth in the U.S., expansion in international markets, enhancing overall procedure workflow and improving product costs. Over recent years, we have highlighted our investments in and focus on delivering for our customers across all aspects of our ecosystem at industrial scale. Customers around the globe rely on Intuitive for high-quality products and services and rock-solid supply continuity to ensure they can serve their patients safely, reliably and effectively at volumes approaching 3 million patients per year globally. As has been the case throughout our 30-year history, we will continue to innovate across our instrument portfolio as illustrated by the introduction of our Force Feedback and extended use instrumentation. Our work here is guided by a commitment to the Quintuple Aim, including patient safety, product quality and reliability and informed by data from millions of procedures. We are aware that third parties have sought to offer products or services to healthcare providers that would modify some of our instruments to extend their use. As customers consider remanufactured instruments from third-party suppliers, we expect key areas such as safety, performance, quality, reliability, supply continuity and pricing will be carefully evaluated and compared. Our strong belief is that high-quality instruments with consistent performance, broad operational support and predictable supply chains provide the greatest value to our customers. In closing, we are committed to our 2025 priorities. First, focusing on the full launch of da Vinci 5, its regional clearances and follow-on feature releases. Second, we will pursue increased adoption for our focused procedures by country through training, commercial activities and market access efforts. Third, we will drive continued progress in building industrial scale, product quality and manufacturing optimization. And finally, we will focus on excellence and availability of our digital tools. Our core businesses have momentum, and our teams are focused on the significant long-term opportunity to improve the Quintuple Aim through our connected ecosystem. We are well positioned operationally and financially to execute against our priorities. I'll now turn the time over to Jamie, who will take you through our finances in greater detail.

Good afternoon. I will begin by highlighting our second quarter performance on a non-GAAP or pro forma basis, and I will summarize our GAAP results later in my remarks. A reconciliation between our pro forma and GAAP results is available on our website. Our second quarter financial results were strong. Revenue growth was 21%, pro forma operating margin was 39% and pro forma earnings per share increased 23%. Our underlying core metrics were solid and as follows: da Vinci procedures grew 17%. Our installed base of da Vinci systems increased 14% to almost 10,500 systems globally and average system utilization rose by 2%. Taking da Vinci and Ion together, total procedure growth was 18%. Strength in Q2 financial results reflected a higher mix of systems purchased by customers as compared to last quarter and last year and leverage of fixed costs. In the U.S., da Vinci procedures grew 14%, driven by continued strength in benign general surgery with notable growth in cholecystectomy and appendectomy, reflecting in part our partnership with customers to support growth in after-hours procedures. When considering the environment in the U.S., we recognize the potential impacts of fiscal policy to Medicaid recipients. There are approximately 70 million to 80 million Americans covered through this program, for which uncertainty remains about whether some patients may lose coverage, how that plays through health systems and what the ultimate impact might be. At this point, I would highlight the following: First, currently, Intuitive's relative penetration is lower for patients covered by Medicaid as compared to all other types of coverage. Second, Medicaid patients tend to be a younger demographic as compared to the overall population. And third, to the extent that Intuitive can demonstrate an advantage clinically and economically, we believe we are in a position of relative strength. Outside the U.S., da Vinci procedures grew 23% with strong contributions from India, Korea and distributor markets. Clinical performance in India has been driven by expansion of the installed base at greenfield accounts and adoption by surgeons across a broad set of surgical specialties. Strength in Korea procedure growth partly reflected a weaker comparison period given the impact of physician strikes last year. We also continue to see strong adoption and use of SP in Korea across a broad set of procedures. In China, procedure growth slightly exceeded the global average and continues to reflect the impact of a constrained and a competitive capital environment. Overall, outside the U.S., we observed robust growth across colorectal, benign general surgery, thoracic kidney and HPB procedures. The breadth of OUS procedure growth reflects our focus in supporting customer adoption beyond urology and is an ongoing opportunity for Intuitive to reach more patients. Turning to capital performance. We placed 395 systems in quarter 2, a 16% increase from the 341 systems placed in the same quarter last year. Following our progression into U.S. broad launch of da Vinci 5 during Q2, we placed 180 da Vinci 5 systems, bringing the installed base to 689 systems. We saw 83 trade-in transactions in Q2, up from 21 a year ago, primarily driven by U.S. customers upgrading to da Vinci 5. While there are a number of customers expressing interest in upgrading to da Vinci 5, we expect trade-ins to occur over multiple years as customers assess its clinical and financial benefits. In the U.S., we placed 216 systems, up from 149 last year. Outside the U.S., we placed 179 systems compared to 192 last year. OUS placements included 73 systems in Europe, 15 in Japan and 13 in China compared to 71, 41 and 14, respectively, last year. Performance in markets served by distributors has been strong in recent periods. In Q2, we placed 79 systems compared to 70 systems last year. Recent strength has been driven by growth in Brazil, Eastern Europe and Southeast Asia, reflecting expansion into customers establishing their first robotic programs. Our capital performance outside the U.S. continues to be impacted by ongoing financial and budgetary pressures in Japan, China and Europe. These pressures reflect government budget challenges and uncertainties over the trade environment. During the quarter, NHS England issued its 10-year plan to improve health care outcomes and associated priorities. We are encouraged to see a commitment to expanding access to robotic surgery as one of the key elements of the plan. However, we do not expect any positive impact this year from incremental NHS investments in robotics. Total revenue for the quarter was $2.44 billion, representing 21% growth over the prior year. On a constant currency basis, revenue growth was also 21%. Systems revenue increased 28%, reflecting lower lease rates, increased placements and a higher mix of da Vinci 5 systems, which drove higher average selling prices. Recurring revenue also grew 21% and accounted for 85% of total revenue. Leasing represented 49% of Q2 placements, lower than 54% last year, primarily driven by a higher mix of placements with distributors, most of whom do not qualify to lease systems. While leasing rates may vary from quarter-to-quarter, we continue to expect the trend toward leasing to increase over time, driven primarily by a higher mix of leasing by OUS customers. The average selling price for systems was $1.5 million compared to $1.44 million last year, reflecting the increasing mix of da Vinci 5 systems, partially offset by a higher mix of trade-in transactions. Instrument and accessory revenue per procedure was approximately $1,800, relatively consistent with the prior year. On a year-over-year basis, we saw downward pressure from lower bariatric procedures and higher cholecystectomy procedures, offset by customer ordering patterns, higher SP procedures and da Vinci 5 specific INA. Second quarter SP procedures grew 88%, driven by 112% growth in Korea and strong growth in Europe and Japan. We placed 23 SP systems in Q2 compared to 21 systems last year. These included 6 in the U.S., 6 in Korea and 5 in Taiwan. SP utilization rose 30% with Korea and Japan continuing with highly efficient high-usage SP programs. Utilization is also steadily increasing in Europe and the U.S. We are progressing through the early phase of a measured rollout of our SP stapler, which we believe is a key enabler for SP adoption in colorectal and thoracic procedures. Now turning to Ion. We performed approximately 35,000 Ion procedures in Q2, a 52% increase over the prior year. We placed 54 Ion systems compared to 74 in Q2 of 2024. 7 of these systems were placed in markets outside the U.S. The installed base of Ion systems expanded to 905 systems and average system utilization increased 8% from the year ago period. Turning now to the rest of the P&L. Pro forma gross margin for the quarter was 67.9%, down from 70% in Q2 of last year. The year-over-year decline reflects higher facilities costs, including depreciation related to new manufacturing capacity, a greater mix of lower-margin Ion and da Vinci 5 revenue and higher service costs related to da Vinci 5. In addition, Q2 results also reflected an impact of approximately 60 basis points from tariffs. Clearly, the trade environment continues to be dynamic. We are currently estimating the impact of tariffs for the year to be approximately 100 basis points, plus or minus 20 basis points, lower than the estimate we provided on last quarter's earnings call, primarily reflecting the reduction of bilateral tariff rates relating to U.S.-China trade. Our estimate for the year assumes the following: imports from China to the U.S. bear a tariff rate of 30%. Imports into China of subassemblies and finished goods from the U.S. are subject to a 10% tariff. Imports into the U.S. from all other countries bear a 10% tariff rate and the imports from Mexico and Canada that comply with USMCA continue to be exempt from tariffs. As a reminder, we expect the impact of tariffs to increase each quarter this year as tariff expenses roll through inventory into cost of sales. Given the uncertainty surrounding what tariff rates will ultimately be enacted, it is possible future tariff rates could have a significant incremental impact on our cost of sales. During the quarter, we opened a new 187,000 square foot manufacturing facility in Bulgaria with land to expand further as needed. This site will initially be focused on our portfolio of more mature endoscope products. Over time, we expect to further increase our manufacturing footprint in Germany and Mexico, given our midterm needs for additional capacity to support revenue growth and our strategy to operate at industrial scale. Second quarter pro forma operating expenses increased 9% year-over-year, driven by higher headcount and increased facility costs, including depreciation, partially offset by lower legal expenses. We added approximately 300 employees during the quarter, approximately half of whom were in manufacturing roles in support of customer demand. Pro forma other income was $93 million for the quarter, up from $91 million in the prior quarter, reflecting higher interest income. Our pro forma effective tax rate for Q2 was 22.7%, in line with our expectations. We are at the early stages of evaluating recent U.S. tax reform. And at this point, we do not anticipate a material impact to our 2025 tax rate. We are still evaluating potential impacts for 2026. Pro forma net income for the second quarter was $798 million compared with $641 million last year. Pro forma earnings per share increased 23% year-over-year to $2.19 per share. Now turning to our GAAP results. GAAP net income for the quarter was $658 million or $1.81 per share compared to $527 million or $1.46 per share in Q2 of last year. The differences between our pro forma and GAAP results are outlined and quantified on our website. We ended the quarter with $9.5 billion in cash and investments, up from $9.1 billion last quarter. The sequential increase was driven by operating cash flow, partially offset by stock repurchases of $181 million and $155 million in capital expenditures. During the quarter, we repurchased 350,000 shares at an average price of $518 per share. With that, I'll turn it over to Dan to discuss recent clinical publications and our outlook for 2025.

Thank you, Jamie. Let’s discuss the clinical aspects of our business. I want to highlight some data from recent studies that we find significant. Besides the data mentioned in this call, we suggest reviewing the extensive evidence on these subjects and the scientific studies published over the years. This past June, Dr. Fang from Chongqing Hospital, Fudan University, presented 3-year results from a randomized trial that compared robotic and laparoscopic surgery for middle and low rectal cancer in the Journal of the American Medical Association. This study, known as the REAL study, looked at local recurrence rates with more than 580 participants in both the robotic-assisted and laparoscopic groups. Recall that secondary short-term outcomes from this study were published in the Lancet Gastroenterology and Hematology in November 2022 and discussed during our earnings call in January 2023. That publication indicated that robotic-assisted surgery led to better oncological quality of resection, reduced surgical trauma, and improved postoperative recovery compared to the laparoscopic approach. In the current JAMA publication, the primary outcome was the 3-year local recurrence rate, which was defined as any cancer recurrence in the pelvic or perineal area three years post-surgery. The authors found that the robotic-assisted group had a 55% lower risk of local recurrence at three years compared to the laparoscopic group. The authors concluded that robotic surgery significantly improved long-term oncological outcomes for patients with middle or low rectal cancer compared to conventional laparoscopic surgery. With more real-world clinical data and enhanced training programs for surgeons, robotic surgery could become the preferred choice for these patients. With the launch of the da Vinci 5 platform, we are starting to see evidence that new features such as force feedback technology and case insights may add value to minimally invasive surgery. At this month’s Society of Robotic Surgery Annual Meeting, Dr. Laila Rashidi from MultiCare Health System shared her findings. She examined the relationship between clinical outcomes and objective performance indicators during her single surgeon experience, particularly focusing on the force measured during surgery using force feedback instruments. To conduct this analysis, Dr. Rashidi and her colleagues utilized OPIs generated by Case Insights, an AI-enabled solution that combines surgical videos with data from the da Vinci platform. Their evaluation of 28 low anterior resection cases showed that certain patient factors and OPIs were linked to outcomes in these colorectal procedures. Notably, higher forces, especially during dissection, and previous surgeries correlated with longer hospital stays. The strongest predictor of length of stay was the percentage of force time above 6.5 newtons. Dr. Rashidi and her team concluded that their early experience with the dV5 highlights the association between patient factors, OPIs, and outcomes in robotic-assisted low anterior resection. Technological advancements integrated with robotic platforms can help surgeons identify factors predicting complications and enhance techniques tailored to individual patients, ultimately leading to safer and more precise surgeries. While these findings are preliminary, we are encouraged by the consistency with our hypothesis regarding the benefits of force feedback technology and case insights. We expect more clinical evidence to emerge in the upcoming quarters and years. Now, I will turn to our updated financial guidance for 2025, starting with da Vinci procedures. Previously, we forecasted da Vinci procedure growth for 2025 to be between 15% and 17%. We are now updating our guidance to be between 15.5% and 17%. Consistent with last quarter, the lower end assumes that growth in China is affected by trade, environmental, and competitive factors. Governments in major OUS markets continue to restrict hospital capital expenditure budgets, limiting capacity expansion, and bariatric procedures are declining at rates similar to recent trends. The higher end of our range assumes improved procedure growth in China relative to 2024, an enhanced CapEx environment in key OUS markets, and a moderation in bariatric procedure declines. This upper range also assumes that da Vinci procedures remain unaffected by the current trade environment. Regarding gross profit, we previously projected a pro forma gross profit margin for 2025 to be between 65% and 66.5% of revenue, reflecting additional depreciation from new facilities, growth from newer products, and tariff impacts. As Jamie noted earlier, we now anticipate that global tariffs will raise our 2025 cost of sales by approximately 1% of revenue, with a variance of plus or minus 20 basis points. Consequently, we are updating our pro forma gross margin estimate to lie between 66% and 67% of revenue. In terms of operating expenses, we maintain our expectation for pro forma operating expense growth to be between 10% and 14%, encompassing increased depreciation from new facilities and investments to achieve our growth goals. We still foresee our noncash stock compensation expense ranging from $770 million to $790 million. We now expect other income, primarily from interest, to total between $370 million and $390 million. For capital expenditures, we estimate a range of $650 million to $725 million, mainly for planned facility construction activities. Regarding income taxes, we continue to estimate our 2025 pro forma income tax rate to be between 22% and 23% of pretax income. That wraps up our prepared remarks. As we transition to questions, we kindly ask that you limit yourself to one or two inquiries.

I have a question about margins. This quarter saw one of the highest margins in a long time despite the tariff challenges. I'm curious about how much of this is related to the new facility opening in Q1, and what exactly contributed to the margin improvement this quarter. Additionally, I'm interested in understanding what might be sustainable for margins moving forward.

Travis, this is Jamie. Yes, I'd just say we had a strong revenue growth quarter at 21%. Part of that was the increased purchase mix, which obviously the purchase lease mix can vary from quarter-to-quarter. We did underspend on OpEx just a little bit, and that grew 9% year-over-year. And so part of what fell through them was just the revenue be leveraged through the entire P&L produced the operating margin result. I would not characterize that as the new normal because obviously, you've got some benefit from, again, the purchase mix and spending just growing 9%.

Understood. And I guess I'll go ahead and get the one reprocessing question out of the way, too, is, I guess, the question would be, one, is there any more you could add to what you said in the prepared remarks. Is this something that we kind of do yourself? Or could you also potentially extend useful life on your own instrumentation as well? Just kind of thinking about like longer term, how you're going to protect the business?

Yes, Travis, it's Dave. As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, customers are focused on the Quintuple Aim while establishing robotic programs, aiming to deliver high-quality care and positive outcomes for their patients, while also considering value. When evaluating remanufactured instruments from third-party providers, hospitals often use value committees to assess these supply chains. These committees typically include a range of stakeholders from the hospital, such as OR leadership, medical personnel, risk management, supply chain, and care team members like surgeons and nurses. They follow established processes to evaluate various factors like safety, reliability, performance, continuity of supply, and ongoing support, all weighed against expected savings. Our strong belief is that high-quality instruments, proven performance, operational support from our teams, and a reliable supply chain will offer the best value. Looking ahead, innovation will be crucial, and you have seen us expand our portfolio over time, extend instrument applications, and recently introduce force feedback with da Vinci 5. Throughout this process, we have prioritized instrument reliability and the safety and performance of robotic surgery, from the first to the last use. We will continue to invest in innovation to differentiate our portfolio, aiming for best-in-class performance and innovation in pursuit of the Quintuple Aim, while also striving to reduce costs and deliver maximum value to our customers. This journey with remanufactured instruments will progress through various phases, and we will innovate in diverse ways to provide the best value for our customers.

Maybe I could start by following up on your comments about the evolving policy changes. In the last quarter call, you and Gary discussed the risks around U.S. hospital capital expenditure spending and how Intuitive might play a role in addressing those challenges. Tonight, you mentioned the unfortunate potential loss of coverage for Medicaid patients and its implications for the business. Can you provide an update on your current thinking regarding capital investments and how you're engaging in discussions to support hospitals in their goals to enhance patient care? Additionally, I have a follow-up question about the Force Feedback study.

Yes. On Medicaid specifically, I think we would generally say it's too early to make any comments with respect to how U.S. hospitals are responding to that, at least based on our engagements with customers. We recognize that to the extent that hospitals experience lower admissions because patients lose coverage or they have less reimbursement, then, of course, that just creates incremental financial challenges for hospitals that they may need to respond to in terms of how they manage capital budgets or even operational budgets. So we're just acknowledging that and providing that some context with respect to our relative penetration relative to Medicaid. I do think that we have a growing number of engagements we have with customers, particularly in the U.S. relative to what we call customer hospital analytics where we can look at their data from a clinical and economic perspective. And oftentimes, we see that da Vinci can be actually part of the solution where there's an economic challenge in the form of the things we've talked about, lowering length of stay, lower complication rates, saving precious resources, et cetera. And so we'll look to engage customers if and as that's needed over time. In terms of the overall capital environment, I'd just say if we look at system placements of $395, we'd characterize that as solid performance and in the range of our expectations. But you actually have to double-click in terms of the kind of market breakdown of that performance placements in the U.S. grew 45%, reflecting the move into broad launch for da Vinci 5 in Q2 and strength and interest in da Vinci 5. And then we talked about Japan, which was down 26 systems year-over-year. Europe and China are essentially flat, and that's mostly to do with government budget deficits and conserving government spending, including impacts on healthcare. So I think we feel good about the U.S. and recognize some challenges internationally. In OUS customers, we do have some levers and opportunities. Many of those customers and markets experienced lower levels of utilization, and we have tools, resources and levers to help customers increase utilization to support procedure growth. We've refined some of our leasing models to more localize them in the past quarter, I think can help with alleviating the pressures that they face. And of course, we have the launch of da Vinci 5 now with the clearance in Europe and Japan and at least we think some early adopters will be responding to that technology. Finally, I'd say, as we are able to drive trade-ins in the U.S., that then gives us the opportunity to add XIR to the portfolio, which can be attractive to OUS customers where they're cost sensitive.

Very helpful. Appreciate all the detail. And maybe just a follow-up on the force feedback launch. Can you give us kind of an update on where you are with customer evaluations as well as capacity expansion and the extent to which that may already be impacting the I&A per procedure number and how we should think about the progression of the rollout there?

Yes, David, I will take the first part, and Jamie will join in at the end. Regarding the supply force feedback instruments, we expect some constraints through the first quarter of next year. Overall, we are pleased with the adoption so far. The initial feedback has been positive, especially concerning case insights. We have been working with surgeons to build evidence, which we will share over time. This evidence primarily aims to show that force feedback can enhance outcomes and potentially shorten the learning curve for surgeons using robotics for the first time.

I'm sorry, remind me the second part of your question.

Just the extent to which Force Feedback may have impact, it looks like I&A outgrew procedure volumes this quarter, whether that's having a positive impact even in its early launch and when we might start to see. It sounds like the first quarter of 26% is the dynamic with capacity, but when we might start to see a more significant impact from Force Feedback on that I&A per procedure number.

Yes. In the prepared remarks, it was one of the contributing factors to an upward momentum on I&A per procedure, although it's the smallest component. And the way I characterized it was da Vinci I&A specific contributions. That's the combination of force feedback and the tube sets that go along with our integrated insofar. So one of the smaller factors and obviously, that becomes an opportunity for us to the extent that we can demonstrate value and when we get to full supply.

Congratulations on a very nice quarter. And Dave, congratulations as I believe that your first call as CEO. Two for me. Maybe first, just to kind of pick up a threat in one of David's questions on da Vinci and productivity. And I was wondering, I know it's still early in the launch, but you now have a couple of quarters on some of these robots in the U.S. And are you seeing any improvements in productivity? It could obviously be really helpful as we think about the upgrade cycle and the ability to do more procedures, generate more revenue and treat more patients. So first, I'd love to hear what you're seeing in terms of improved productivity on da Vinci 5 versus Xi.

What I would say is it's one area where we look to build evidence to support the value proposition. And we described to you in the past a number of the anecdotal inputs that we get from surgeons. Some of them have been presented on stage. We've seen some analysis in various publications, but we'd like to get to a state where that is robust evidence and is part of how we engage with customers, and that will take us some time to build that collateral. I would say that recently, average system utilization on da Vinci 5 surpassed Xi. Obviously, we'd like to see that sustain and we'd like to know that, that actually is a function of then increased efficiency. It could be that the parts of that are just surgeons' interest to try and get on the platform versus the Xi, but that seems consistent from where those lines crossed. So I think that's an opportunity for us, but we have work to do to get to a level of evidence that's sufficiently robust that we can engage customers that way. And I'd just maybe let Dave make any additional comments there.

You're correct, Jamie. The dV5, or da Vinci 5, was designed with a focus on efficiency. You've heard about its features related to the head-end UI and screen placements. These elements contribute to the efficiency gains that Jamie mentioned, which we are monitoring at individual institutions and among surgeons. We’ve observed savings exceeding 20% in both short and longer cases. As more data emerges, we’ll better understand its impact on utilization. Our primary goal is to empower hospital teams to add another case each day. As we progress with the dB5, we look forward to gathering, analyzing, and sharing more data.

Great. Maybe a quick follow-up for you, Jamie. I saw you repurchased shares in the quarter. It's the first time in a while. Just wanted to hear the thought process and your latest thoughts on capital deployment and just how you're thinking about that?

Yes. Our capital allocations remain consistent, and I'll probably sound like a broken record. It's first to organically invest in the business, and you've seen us do that with R&D and CapEx more recently. Second is we look for smaller tuck-in acquisitions where we can find technology that's differentiated or can help us accelerate the business. And then we return capital to shareholders when we have opportunistic times to do that. And so what you saw us recognize in the quarter is just the volatility that's in the environment in part because the trade environment and so we exercised that opportunistically. We review what we do with capital allocation each quarter with our board. And so we have a relatively formalized process by which we evaluate what we do.

Congrats to Dave on the new role. Jamie, I think for Jamie, 2 on systems, I'm going to try to get them bolt in here. How should we think about system placements outside the U.S. going forward, given the recent CE Mark and Japan approval, is there any reason we wouldn't see system placements start to grow again like we did when you launched dV5 in the U.S.? And secondly, now that the full dV5 launch has started in the U.S. how should we think about the rate of increase in trade-ins going forward? And any color on kind of the financial implications of the trade-ins?

Yes. With respect to clearance of dV5 in Europe and Japan, as our history has been, we're planning for a measured rollout and there's work to do there. We have to obviously build training pathways, posturing capabilities and actually engage customers in terms of the relative value of da Vinci 5, in particular, given its higher price. And of course, you have to wait for clearance before you can directly engage customers in that way. I would say that Force Feedback instruments for Europe is not yet cleared. And actually, we don't expect that before the end of next year. So there may be some European customers that want to wait for that capability. I would expect that, as we've seen in the U.S., there will be early adopter kinds of companies, customers that will be interested in getting access to da Vinci 5 because of the effect of their program and the desires of their surgeons. But I would consider it to be a measured rollout through the second half as we like to do that the right way with building the infrastructure that drives long-term success. With respect to moving into broad launch in the U.S. in Q2 and the implication for trade-ins. Yes, we would expect then trade-ins to increase given that we have now appropriate levels of supply for those customers that want to upgrade. But as we've said, we think that occurs progressively over multiples of years because our customers are in different places with respect to the programs, the populations they serve, their relative financial priorities in terms of capital budgets and the operational challenges that they face. A number of them will want to evaluate da Vinci 5 and they'll take their time to do it from a clinical efficiency and financial perspective.

Dave. Jamie, Dave, at the SRS meeting, we heard about the potential for robotics utilization in other spaces beyond current core focuses the industry like endovascular, broadly, AFCs, et cetera. I was just wondering, as things evolve and as dV5 rolls out, it's early to say what's next. But how are you thinking about what's next broadly in terms of new locations, new opportunities?

Rick mentioned that in addressing ASCs and outpatient care environments, a key focus at SRS is understanding what customers need to deliver high-quality care. A crucial aspect of this is having consistent and reliable technology. This ensures that surgeons transitioning from main hospitals to ASCs can perform procedures efficiently with appropriate outcomes. There is excitement around the technology in their current portfolio. Additionally, as Jamie mentioned regarding trade-ins, customers can upgrade to the latest technology like dV5 at their main institutions for inpatient procedures, while reallocating existing capital, such as Xi or X, to ASC settings. This approach aims to address customer needs effectively. Furthermore, with a growing focus on the outpatient environment, there is confidence in the products available for that space.

All right. Great. And just as a second question, Dave. I'm very conscious that you all have said repeatedly that the da Vinci 5 will continue to evolve. You've touched on a couple of the aspects. But I was looking have to hear, as you know from your colleague, Iman Jeddi, who's leading the dV5 rollout that with a full launch of the system, which our broad launch, I think, were your words, that there would be additional features, additional software different additional capabilities. And I was hoping you could expand on that and maybe help us understand the implications for adoption, for utilization. And maybe does this help, Jamie, the ASP or margins as the rollout continues?

Yes. Thanks, Rick. So one of the things about robotic systems as a whole is that they are platform technologies. You start in one place with a product that is launched at the beginning of last year. And I think you can draw a good analogy to Xi when it was first launched and then look a decade later at the features and capabilities that were added along the way. The exact same journey will happen with dV5. And so yes, Samath had talked about some of the things that were upcoming. And there are many. One in particular that we talked about before is we have the ability to integrate now 3D models in a different way than we used to with Xi. And so that is part of the compute increase in terms of the compute power increase; we're now able to do things graphically and through integration and imaging that we were not able to do before. And so again, with the expectation that these kinds of capabilities will advance one or more aspects of the quintuple, sometimes outcomes, sometimes the care and patient experiences or sometimes perhaps cost. And so I think as we look over the coming quarters and coming years, we'll keep you informed about the features and capabilities and instruments that will continue to be added to the platform and I’m excited about where it's going to take us.

Rick, we have a road map of features to come over time. Some of them are committed. Some of them are obviously ideas that we will explore and make conclusions on. I'd say most of those features to come, we won't directly charge for. But of course, they then enhance the surgeon experience and the overall capability of the system. So in that sense, then the customers that are looking at the price and may be pausing and whether to make the incremental investment as you increase actually the capability and feature set the system, then it makes the likelihood of a sale for a customer that was waiting higher; there are some digital capabilities that we're considering charging for, and that's going to be a function of incremental value in can we demonstrate that to the customer.

Operator, I think we've got time for one more question.

Congrats on a nice quarter. I'll keep it to just one question. I did want to ask about the curve vessel sealer, which recently got FDA approval have been seeing some buzz on LinkedIn and other sites. Just help us kind of better understand any potential impact from that device in the marketplace? Like what is the benefit of the technology, which procedures will utilize that device? And is there anything to call out from a pricing standpoint as it relates to I&A procedure?

Yes. We're excited about that device. Its primary value proposition is that it's quite a bit a slimmer profile than the existing vessel sealers that we have. It has a sealing indication for 7-millimeter vessels, which is important. The tip of the instrument actually allows for better tissue manipulation. And so of course, then it's best suited to those procedures that have narrow spaces in which the surgeon works. So that's thoracic, colorectal, hiatal hernia as examples. The way I would think about it is that it sets us up for the possibility, the probability that we can penetrate those procedures with advanced energy more fully than we would with the existing portfolio. And we'd also look as a value hypothesis that we'd also see higher stick rates from surgeons. And so it doesn't open up new procedures for us. It does have a minor impact to relative I&A per procedure given the value proposition, but it's really for us about having a greater degree of penetration and success in those procedures that need a narrow space for energy.

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