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Best Buy Co. Inc

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Best Buy is the world's largest specialty consumer electronics retailer. Our purpose is to enrich lives through technology, which we do by providing our customers a unique mix of advice, products and services in our stores, online, and in homes. Our expert associates advise customers on our curated assortment of the latest, name-brand technology, while our highly trained services teams help with designs, consultations, delivery, installation, tech support and repair. We are a leader in corporate responsibility and sustainability issues, including through the Best Buy Foundation's nationwide Best Buy Teen Tech Center® network and the significant role we play in the circular economy through repair, trade-in and recycling programs. We generated more than $41.5 billion of revenue in fiscal 2025, operate more than 1,000 retail stores in North America, and have more than 80,000 employees.

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Best Buy Co. Inc (BBY) — Q3 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Apr 4, 202611 speakers8,999 words54 segments

AI Call Summary AI-generated

The 30-second take

Best Buy's sales were worse than expected as shoppers bought fewer electronics, but the company made more money on each sale by controlling costs and growing its membership program. Management is worried about the uncertain holiday shopping season and lowered its sales forecast, but they are excited that their new membership tiers are working and believe the worst of the sales slump may be over soon.

Key numbers mentioned

  • Q3 Comparable Sales decline of 6.9%
  • Paid Membership Base of 6.6 million members
  • Q3 Gross Profit Rate expanded by 90 basis points
  • Full-Year EPS Guidance of $6.00 to $6.30
  • Q4 Comparable Sales Outlook down 3% to 7%
  • Store Closures This Year 24 stores

What management is worried about

  • Consumer demand softened through the quarter and has been uneven and difficult to predict.
  • Sustained inflationary pressure on basics like food, fuel, and lodging is impacting consumer spending trade-offs.
  • The ongoing consumer preference towards service spending, like restaurants or concert tickets, is a headwind.
  • The credit card profit share is expected to be a pressure to the gross profit rate next year.
  • Sales trends through the first three weeks of November are near the low end of the fourth-quarter outlook range.

What management is excited about

  • The three-tiered membership program is growing, with retention rates outperforming expectations and contributing to profit.
  • New initiatives like Best Buy Drops in the app are driving incremental customer downloads and higher app visit frequency.
  • The company is seeing promising results and market share growth in newer categories like PC gaming, wellness products, and e-bikes.
  • They believe the consumer electronics industry should see more stabilization next year and possibly growth in the back half.
  • Vendor partners are working on new innovations, including generative AI consumer products, which should drive future opportunities.

Analyst questions that hit hardest

  1. Simeon Gutman of Morgan Stanley: Extended negative industry cycle and innovation. Management responded with a long list of macro factors pressuring sales (pull-forward, inflation, service spending) and pointed to small signs of innovation but acknowledged the current slow cycle.
  2. Chris Horvers of JPMorgan: Credit card profit share headwind for next year. Management was evasive on specifics, stating they are evaluating scenarios and are not providing guidance, focusing instead on the offset from membership.
  3. Steven Forbes of Guggenheim: 2024 margin outlook and ability to hold margin in a flat sales environment. Management declined to give guidance for next year and reiterated they expect product margins to be neutral, avoiding a direct update on prior margin goals.

The quote that matters

We believe the consumer electronics industry should see more stabilization next year and possibly growth in the back half of the year.

Corie Barry — CEO

Sentiment vs. last quarter

The tone was more cautious than last quarter, with a clear downward revision to the near-term sales outlook replacing prior optimism for a second-half improvement. While excitement around the membership program grew, the emphasis shifted heavily to navigating an "uneven" and difficult-to-predict consumer environment through the holidays.

Original transcript

Operator

Thank you for joining us. Welcome to Best Buy's Third Quarter Fiscal 2024 Earnings Conference Call. Currently, all participants are in listen-only mode. We will have a question-and-answer session later. This call is being recorded for playback and will be available around 1:00 P.M. Eastern Time today. I will now hand it over to Mollie O'Brien, Vice-President of Investor Relations.

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Mollie O'BrienVice-President of Investor Relations

Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Joining me on the call today are Corie Barry, our CEO, and Matt Bilunas, our CFO. During the call today, we will be discussing both GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures, a reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures and an explanation of why these financial measures are useful can be found in this morning's earnings release, which is available on our website. Some of the statements we will make today are considered forward-looking within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements may address the financial condition, business initiatives, growth plans, investments and expected performance of the company and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from such forward-looking statements. Please refer to the company's current earnings release and our most recent 10-K and subsequent 10-Qs for more information on these risks and uncertainties. The company undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances that may arise after the date of this call. I will now turn the call over to Corie.

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Corie BarryCEO

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. For the third quarter, we are reporting better-than-expected profitability on slightly softer-than-expected revenue. Specifically, we are reporting a comparable sales decline of 6.9%, which is slightly below our outlook for the quarter as consumer demand softened through the quarter. At the same time, we expanded our Q3 gross profit rate by 90 basis points from last year due to profitability improvements in our membership program and better product margins. We also lowered our SG&A expense compared to last year as we tightly controlled expenses and adjusted our labor expense rate with sales fluctuations. During the quarter, we grew our paid membership base and drove meaningful improvements in customer satisfaction scores across many of our service offerings, including in-home delivery, in-store services, and remote support. Our Q3 results demonstrate our ongoing strong operational execution as we navigate through the sales pressure our industry has been experiencing for the past several quarters. The sales pressure is due to many factors, including the pandemic pull-forward of tech purchases, the shift back into services outside the home like travel and entertainment, and inflation. In the more recent macro-environment, consumer demand has been even more uneven and difficult to predict. Based on the sales trends in Q3 and so far in November, we believe it is prudent to lower our revenue outlook for Q4. But despite the lowered sales outlook, the midpoint of our annual EPS guidance is now slightly higher than the midpoint of our original guidance as we entered the year. I want to thank our associates for their resilience and relentless focus on our customers. I continue to be very proud of the way our teams are managing the business today and preparing for our future. Now, I would like to provide more color on our Q3 performance and holiday plans before passing the call off to Matt for the financial details on the quarter and our outlook. We continue to strategically manage our promotional plan and we're price-competitive in an environment where consumers are very deal-focused and making spending tradeoffs right for their budget. Consumers are looking for value, and from an industry themes' perspective, we are seeing some trade-down in the television category, but not as much trade-down in other categories. As a result, and as expected, the goals of industry promotions and discounts were above last year and pre-pandemic fiscal '20. Similar to the first half of the year, during Q3, our purchasing customers were relatively consistent in terms of demographics versus last year. As a reminder, we over-index with higher-income consumers compared to the general population, and we saw the percent of revenue categorized as premium and the percent of purchases over $1,000 remain constant versus last year. We have largely maintained our year-to-date industry share in our Circana, formerly NPD-tracked categories. Against this backdrop, our focus on deepening relationships with customers remains crucial. Our membership program delivered another quarter of growth and improved profitability versus last year. The Q3 contribution to the enterprise operating income rate was larger-than-expected due to the combination of a lower cost to serve and higher paid in-home installation services. For the full year of fiscal '24, we now expect our three-tiered membership program to contribute approximately 35 basis points of Enterprise year-over-year operating income rate expansion. It is still early since we introduced material changes in June, but there are a number of insights I would like to share. One, we continue to increase our paid membership base and now have 6.6 million members, which compares to 5.8 million at the start of the year. During the third quarter, we signed up approximately 35% more new paid members compared to the third quarter of last year, driven by the addition of the new Tier and buoyed by back-to-school and October’s member month events. Two, our paid members continue to interact with the brand and shop more frequently compared to non-members, which is the goal of any membership program. Three, and though it is early and we have not yet lapped the new programs, retention rates are outperforming expectations. Four, My Best Buy Total, which is the evolution of our prior Total tech offer, continues to resonate more strongly in our physical store setting. This tier is $179.99 per year and includes Geek Squad 24/7 tech support via in-store, remote, phone, or chat on all your electronics, no matter where you purchase them. It also includes up to two years of product protection, including AppleCare Plus on most new Best Buy purchases and includes all the benefits of My Best Buy Plus. And five, our My Best Buy Plus tier is resonating more with the digital customers and appeals to a broader set of customer segments. This is the new tier for customers who want value and access. For $49.99 per year, customers get exclusive prices and access to highly anticipated product releases. They also get free two-day shipping and an extended 60-day return and exchange window on most products. We are still early in the process and are testing different promotional offers to determine what resonates most with consumers as well as continuously improving the digital experience to make it easier to find deals and benefits. During the quarter, we continued to evolve our omnichannel capabilities to support our strategy and make it easy and enjoyable for consumers to get the best tech and premier expert consultation and service when they want it through our online store and in-home experiences. Last month, we introduced Best Buy Drops, which is a new experience only available through the Best Buy app. It gives customers the opportunity to access product releases, limited-edition items, launches, and deals from a variety of categories. There are multiple drops nearly every week, and they're only available in limited quantities. We are encouraged by the early results as Best Buy Drops is driving both incremental customer app downloads and higher frequency of app visits. We have also seen growth in sales from customers who are getting help from our virtual sales associates. These interactions, which can be via phone, chat, or our virtual store, drive much higher conversion rates and average order values than our general dot-com levels. This quarter, we had 140,000 customer interactions via video chat with associates, specifically out of our virtual store locations. As a reminder, this is a physical store in one of our distribution centers with merchandising and products that are staffed with dedicated associates and no physical customers. We also teamed up with live shopping platform Talk Shop Live to test a series of online shopping events this month, starring our virtual sales associates. These events feature products from some of our newer categories like beauty and wellness as well as new tech and unique products. Our physical store portfolio is one of our key assets, and the role of our stores is to provide customers with differentiated experiences, services, and multichannel fulfillment. At the same time, we need some stores to be more cost and capital efficient to operate. As a reminder, while almost one-third of our domestic sales are online, 43% of those sales were picked up in one of our stores by customers in Q3. Most customers shop us in multiple channels. Consistent with our normal cadence, we have largely completed the changes to our store portfolio for the year, so we can focus on the holiday season with minimal disruption to our physical stores. As we think about next year with the current economic backdrop, we plan to spend more of our capital expenditures refreshing a greater number of our stores and less on large-scale remodels. As such, we have three priorities for our US store fleet in the near term. Number one, we are refreshing our stores with a particular focus on improving the merchandising presentation given the shift to digital shopping and corresponding lower need to hold as much inventory on the shopping floor. For example, this year, in all our stores, we installed new premium end caps in partnership with key vendors that improve the merchandising in the center of the store. This year, we installed up to 10 of these new end caps per store or roughly one-third of our end caps per store and plan to add more next year as we work to upgrade these crucial locations in our stores. In addition, this year, we rightsized our traditional gaming spaces in roughly half of our stores to allow for the expansion of growing categories like PC gaming and newer offerings such as Greenworks cordless power tools, wellness products like the Oura ring, Epson short throw projectors, e-bikes, scooters, and Lovesac home furnishing products. While small, we are seeing promising results in some of these new categories with meaningful market share growth. And as always, we continue to work closely with our vendor partners to add experiences to our stores. For example, LEGO and Therabody invested in new shop-in-shops in all our 35,000 square foot experience stores. We will continue this work next year in all our stores, rightsizing a number of categories to ensure we are leveraging the space in the center of our stores in the most exciting, relevant, and efficient way possible. Our second priority is to keep investing in formats we know drive returns. This year, we implemented 8 large format 35,000 square foot experience store remodels for a total of 54 and will end the year with 23 outlet stores. At this point in time, we plan to implement a minimal number of remodels and outlets next year. The third priority is to open a few smaller footprint stores to keep testing our hypothesis that physical points of presence matter, and we need less selling square footage and more fulfillment and inventory holding space. In addition, we plan to open a few smaller stores in outstate markets to test the impact of adding new locations and geographies where we have no prior physical presence and our omnichannel sales penetration is low. At the same time, we also continue to close existing traditional stores as a result of our rigorous review of stores as their leases come up for renewal. This year, we have closed 24 stores. Over the past five years, we have closed approximately 100 Best Buy stores, which is a 10% decline in store count during that time frame. We expect to close roughly 15 to 20 stores per year in the near term. We have been enhancing our supply chain network to support these footprint changes and deliver speed, predictability, and choice to our customers. For example, we have worked to optimize our ship-from-store hub footprint to maintain substantial coverage for faster offers and take shipping volume pressure off the majority of the stores to allow them to focus on in-store and pickup experiences. Additionally, we are optimizing our shipping locations to enhance our efficiency and effectiveness while still delivering with speed. As a result, in Q3, we had the lowest ship from store volume as a percent of total since well before the pandemic, with approximately 62% of e-commerce small packages delivered to customers from automated distribution centers. We also continued to augment our supply chain through other partners and launched Best Buy on DoorDash marketplace, offering our second scheduled parcel delivery option in addition to Instacart Marketplace. As we have discussed previously, we have made strategic structural changes to our store operating model over the past few years to adjust to the shifts we have seen in customer shopping behavior and our corresponding operational needs. These changes provide more flexibility and have allowed us to flex labor hours with the fluctuations in customer sales, shopping preferences like curbside and traffic. As a result, we kept our labor rates steady as a percent of revenue, even as our sales have declined over the past several quarters. As you can imagine, there is a delicate balance to maintain while we adjust our store operating model as the expert service our associates provide customers is a core competitive advantage. We keep a very close watch on our customer satisfaction trends to make sure we are not negatively impacting the customer experience. Broadly, I am proud that the team is doing this work while driving higher purchasing customer NPS for associate availability, product availability, and pricing. We are also committed, of course, to providing a great employee experience through training opportunities and benefits. As we mentioned last quarter, we have now led thousands of our sales associates through a certification process focused on our foundational retail excellence. We are also leveraging technology in our stores more than ever to continue to elevate our customer and employee experiences in more cost-effective ways. A great example is our app built for employees called Solution Sidekick that provides a guided selling experience consistent across departments, channels, and locations. Our employees have embraced Solution Sidekick, and we can see higher customer NPS when our employees are utilizing the app in their interactions with customers. We are gratified that our employee retention rates continue to outperform the retail industry, particularly in key leadership roles, the vast majority of which we hire internally. Our average tenure, excluding our seasonal workforce, for field employees is just under five years, and our general manager tenure is almost 16 years. This is crucial as we can directly tie tenured experience and training certifications to NPS improvement over time. We have also seen a strong pool of applicants for new associates to supplement our store teams this holiday season. As you all have likely noticed, the holiday shopping season has begun. Since we are preparing for a customer who is very deal focused, we expect shopping patterns will look even more similar to historical holiday periods than they did last year, with customer shopping activity concentrated on Black Friday week, Cyber Monday, and the last two weeks of December. From an inventory perspective, we expect to have strong product availability across categories this year. We will continue to manage inventory strategically to maximize our ability to flex with customer demand. We are excited about the promotions and deals we have planned for all customers and budgets, including special promotions and early access to deals for our My Best Buy Plus and My Best Buy Total members. We have curated gift lists to help everyone find the perfect gift. We also introduced a new resource on our website and the Best Buy app called Yes Best Buy Sells That, where customers can find the latest in tech and gifting, like pet tech, baby tech, or electric vehicle chargers, all the way to unique products that some shoppers may not know we sell like skin treatments, toys for all ages, and electric outdoor power equipment. For added ease of shopping and peace of mind, we've extended both our store hours and our product return policy for the holiday season. And this year, for the first time, we also extended that our shoppers can connect directly with one of our virtual sales experts to get help with their holiday shopping. We're also offering free next-day delivery on thousands of items in addition to convenience store and curbside pickup options. Most orders placed on our website or through the Best Buy app are ready for store pickup within one hour. Same-day delivery is also available on most products for a small fee. From a merchandising perspective, we're excited for shoppers to see new innovations in a variety of categories, including AI-powered devices like Microsoft CoPilot and Windows 11 computers, the latest in virtual and mixed reality with Meta Quest 3 or Ray-Ban Meta Smart Glasses, immersive audio with Bose Quiet Comfort ultra-headphones and more. We can help our holiday shoppers take advantage of this new innovation through our trade-in program, which gives customers value for their old technology. In addition to great deals for our flagship categories like computing, home theater, and gaming, we also have an expanded assortment of new and growing categories, including e-transportation, health and wellness, and outdoor living. Our e-transportation assortment has more options for people of all ages and skill levels. We have twice as many outdoor cooking brands compared to last year and more than 5,000 health and wellness products, including a lineup of fitness, recovery, beauty, skincare, baby tech, and more. As you can likely hear, we are very excited to provide customers an amazing experience this holiday season. Of course, the macro environment remains uncertain with some tailwinds and increasingly more headwinds, all contributing uneven impacts on consumers. The job market remains strong and upper-income and older demographics, in particular, continue to benefit from excess savings. Overarchingly, the consumer is still spending. But as we have said before, they are making careful choices and trade-offs right for their households. Given the sustained inflationary pressure on the basics, like food, fuel, and lodging, and the ongoing preference towards service spending, like restaurants or concert tickets, indications, additional indicators have continued to soften, including declining consumer confidence, increasing debt, and waning savings. We saw sales trends soften as we moved through the quarter. This environment continues to make it challenging to predict shopping behavior even during the most exciting time of the year. While we are lowering our Q4 sales outlook, we have a wide range to allow for a number of scenarios, and the mid- to high end of the range reflects sequential improvement. As we discussed on our last call, there are several factors supporting our belief that our Q4 year-over-year comparable sales can improve. We expect home theater year-over-year performance to improve as we expect to be better positioned with inventory across all price points and budgets than last year. We are starting to see signs of stabilization in our TV units as they grew in Q2 and Q3 and are expected to grow in Q4. We expect performance in our computing category to improve as we build on our position of strength in the premium assortment. Notebook units were flat compared to last year in Q2, down as expected in Q3, and expected to be up slightly in Q4. We expect to see continued growth in the gaming category as inventory is more readily available and there are strong new software titles. In summary, while the macro and industry backdrop continues to drive volatility, we have a proven track record of navigating well through dynamic and challenging environments, and we will continue to adjust as the macro conditions evolve. We remain incredibly confident about our future opportunities. After two years of declines, we believe the consumer electronics industry should see more stabilization next year and possibly growth in the back half of the year. While our existing product categories have slightly different timing nuances, we believe they are poised for growth in the coming years, benefiting from a materially larger installed base and the ongoing desire and need to replace technology as it ages. Much of this replacement is spurred by innovation, and in addition, we continue to see several macro trends that should drive opportunities in our business over time, including cloud, augmented reality, expansion of broadband access, and, of course, generative AI, where we know our vendor partners are working behind the scenes to create consumer products that optimize this material technology advancement. Our purpose to enrich lives through technology is more relevant today than ever. We're the largest CE specialty retailer. We continue to hold one-third of the market share in both the US computing and television industries, and we can commercialize new technology for customers like no one else. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Matt for more details on our third-quarter results and our fiscal '24 outlook.

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Matt BilunasCFO

Good morning, everyone. Let me start by sharing details on our third-quarter results. Enterprise revenue of $9.8 billion declined 6.9% on a comparable basis. Our non-GAAP operating income rate of 3.8% declined by 10 basis points compared to last year. Non-GAAP SG&A dollars were $57 million lower than last year, and it increased approximately 100 basis points as a percentage of revenue. Partially offsetting the higher SG&A rate was a 90 basis point improvement in our gross profit rate. Compared to last year, our non-GAAP diluted earnings per share decreased 6.5% to $1.29. When viewing our performance compared to our expectations, we did not see the sequential improvement versus the second quarter that our third-quarter outlook assumed. From an enterprise comparable sales phasing perspective, the August decline of approximately 6% was our best-performing month, with September down 7% and October down 8%. Although our sales were below plan, our non-GAAP operating income rate exceeded our outlook by approximately 40 basis points, driven by lower SG&A. The lower-than-expected SG&A was largely driven by tighter expense management in areas such as store payroll and advertising expense as we adjusted plans to account for sales trends. Our gross profit rate was essentially flat to our expectations. Lastly, approximately $20 million of vendor funding qualified to be recognized as an offset to SG&A while our outlook assumed it would have been a reduction of cost of sales. We anticipate similar recognition of this funding in Q4 in the range of $15 million to $20 million. Next, I will walk through the details of our third-quarter results compared to last year. In our Domestic segment, revenue decreased 8.2% to $9 billion, driven by a comparable sales decline of 7.3%. From a category standpoint, the largest contributors to the comparable sales decline in the quarter were appliances, computing, home theater, and mobile phones, which were partially offset by growth in gaming. From an organic perspective, the overall blended average selling price of our products was essentially flat to last year, which is a slight improvement relative to the past few quarters. In our International segment, revenue decreased 3.4% to $760 million. This decrease was driven by a comparable sales decline of 1.9% and a negative impact of foreign exchange rates. Our Domestic gross profit rate increased 100 basis points to 22.9%. The higher gross profit rate was driven by the following: First, improvement from our membership offerings, which included a higher gross profit rate in our services category. Second, our product margin rates improved versus last year, including a higher level of vendor-supported promotions and the benefit from optimization efforts across multiple areas. And third, lower supply chain costs. Before moving on, I would like to give some additional context on the profit sharing revenue from our credit card arrangement, which performed better than we expected in the third quarter. On a year-over-year basis, the profit share has been approximately flat from a dollar perspective over the course of the year, which has resulted in a slightly positive impact on our gross profit rate. In the fourth quarter, we expect the profit share to come in better than we had expected and once again be very similar to last year from a dollar perspective. As we look to next year, we expect the credit card profit share to be a pressure to our gross profit rate. At this point in time, we expect this pressure to be offset by continued financial improvement from our membership offerings. Moving to SG&A. Our Domestic non-GAAP SG&A declined by $58 million with the primary drivers being lower store payroll costs and reduced advertising, which were partially offset by higher incentive compensation. Next, let me touch on our inventory balance. Similar to last year at this time, we continue to feel good about our overall inventory position as well as the health of our inventory. Our quarter-end inventory balance was approximately 4% higher than last year's comparable period. As we noted during last year's third-quarter earnings call, approximately $600 million of inventory receipts came in a few days later than we had expected, moving from October into November. Adjusting for that timing shift, this year's ending inventory balance would have been approximately 4% lower than last year's targeted ending balance. Year-to-date, we've returned a total of $873 million to shareholders through dividends of $603 million and share repurchases of $270 million. We now expect share repurchases of approximately $350 million for the year. Let me next share more color on our outlook for the year, starting with our thoughts on the fourth quarter. From a top-line perspective, we now expect our fourth-quarter comparable sales to be down in the range of 3% to 7%. Our Enterprise comparable sales through the first three weeks of November are near the low end of the fourth-quarter range. On the profitability side, we expect our fourth-quarter non-GAAP operating income rate to be in the range of 4.7% to 5%, which compares to a rate of 4.8% last year. Our fourth-quarter gross profit rate is expected to improve versus last year by approximately 30 basis points. Although favorable to last year, the year-over-year improvement is less than the 90 basis points of expansion we reported for the third quarter. From a sequential standpoint, there are three main items I would highlight that are expected to reduce the rate expansion in the fourth quarter relative to the third quarter. First, although it is still a benefit compared to last year, the changes to our membership offering are less impactful in the larger holiday quarter. Second, product margin rates are expected to be closer to flat to last year in the fourth quarter compared to a benefit in the third quarter. And third, we expect supply chain cost to be a slight pressure in the fourth quarter versus a benefit in the third quarter. From an SG&A standpoint, when comparing to last year, we expect our fourth-quarter SG&A as a percentage of sales to be more favorable than our year-to-date trends, which is due in part to the impact of the extra week this year. The range of SG&A implied in the fourth quarter incorporates our normal course of actions to adjust variable expenses under the different revenue scenarios as well as adjustments to incentive compensation aligned with our expected financial outcomes. As a reminder, we expect the extra week to add approximately $700 million of revenue, which is excluded from our comparable sales and $100 million in SG&A. We still expect it to benefit our full-year non-GAAP operating income rate by approximately 10 basis points. Let me provide more details on our full-year guidance, which incorporates the color I just shared on the fourth quarter. We now expect the following: Enterprise revenue in the range of $43.1 billion to $43.7 billion, Enterprise comparable sales to decline 6% to 7.5%, Enterprise non-GAAP operating income rate in the range of 4% to 4.1%, non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $6 to $6.30, non-GAAP effective income tax rate of approximately 24%, and lastly, our interest income is still expected to exceed interest expense this year. Our full-year gross profit and SG&A working assumptions remain very similar to what we shared last quarter. Some of the key callouts are the following: We still expect our gross profit rate to improve by approximately 60 basis points compared to fiscal '23. A large driver of the gross profit rate improvement is expected to come from our membership offerings, which includes a higher gross profit rate in our services category. Our membership offerings are now expected to provide approximately 35 basis points of improvement. At the midpoint of our guidance, we expect SG&A as a percentage of sales to increase by approximately 95 basis points compared to last year. We expect higher incentive compensation as we lapped up very low levels last year. The high end of our guidance now assumes incentive compensation increases by approximately $140 million compared to fiscal '23.

Operator

Thank you. Your first question comes from Simeon Gutman of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

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Simeon GutmanAnalyst

Good morning, everyone. I wanted to ask a question about the fourth quarter. It seems we will face negative comparisons for the third consecutive year. Looking at the bigger picture, there appears to be a rationale behind this significant pull forward and an expanding installed base, which should lead to a replacement cycle. However, I would like to inquire further about this. If there are any concerns, it might be due to a lack of innovation. You've mentioned that you haven't lost much market share, but I'm also considering the overall market dynamics and whether we might be experiencing an extended negative industry cycle.

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Corie BarryCEO

Thanks for the question, Simeon. I think we have a few things going on to your point. So if you think about the comments that I had in the macro section, you've got a variety of stacked issues happening. One is absolutely you had pull forward throughout the pandemic. Two is you also have this kind of sustained inflation. And again, it's sustained inflation on the basics that we've been talking about food, fuel, and lodging. And so that's pulling people. We also talked about the fact that a lot of spend right now is geared towards the more service-type of things like concerts, like trips. Everywhere you look, people are taking more and more vacations. And so you have all of this kind of shift of spend that's happening. I think secondarily, as it relates specifically to the holiday timeframe, the other interesting thing is people have also been buying CE a little bit more steadily throughout the year. If you think about CE as more of a need-based item, not just that kind of giftable item, and so I think there's also just been a little bit of a shift in where people are spending. But I think broadly, what we're seeing reflected right now is the kind of culmination of not just pull forward, but all of these other factors that we're seeing from the consumer as they make those trade-offs. And we've been using the words uneven for probably six quarters now, and I think that is what you're seeing in the variety of results from consumers and where they're choosing to spend their dollars.

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Simeon GutmanAnalyst

Maybe the quick follow-up is the Q4, I guess, you're running at the low end. Does it get better because the comparison gets better? Or you're hopeful around how the big holiday sales end up playing out?

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Matt BilunasCFO

I believe the comparison is improving. Last year, we were about 3% below FY '20 levels. This year, while we are still lower than FY '20, the sequential performance in Q4 is better. There is a lot of optimism for the holiday season, driven by great promotions and events. However, we are trying to manage expectations regarding the holiday season, keeping in mind the current state of the consumer. Regarding market share, we believe we have largely maintained our position, although it's challenging to get a precise number. Nonetheless, we feel confident about our share as we approach the holiday period.

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Simeon GutmanAnalyst

Okay. Thanks. Happy Thanksgiving. Good luck.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chris Horvers of JPMorgan. Your line is open.

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Chris HorversAnalyst

Thanks, and good morning. So, thanks for the commentary around the credit card headwind that you're thinking about next year being offset by the membership. Can you talk about implicitly what you're assuming as a headwind in that comment? There's a lot of speculation. There's a lot of numbers getting thrown around in the market. And so I just want to try to understand what you're implicitly assuming? And then in addition, what are the other big puts and takes in gross margin as you think about 2024, as you think about initiative spending as well as your health efforts?

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Matt BilunasCFO

Thank you for the question. As we look ahead to next year regarding the credit card, there are several scenarios we are evaluating, so we are not providing guidance at this point. We anticipate that the pressures we expect from the credit card will mostly be balanced by the advantages we may gain from the expansion of the membership program and services category. One key aspect we are trying to understand is the trajectory of net credit losses, which are currently similar to pre-pandemic levels after being very low during the pandemic. We've noticed them increasing slightly, so we are considering how high they might go if this trend continues into next year and the potential pressure it could create. Another important factor is that our receivable balance has been higher in recent years, which can help mitigate some of these pressures due to increased interest income. These are some of the main elements we're assessing concerning the credit card.

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Chris HorversAnalyst

So that's a perfect segue. On the SG&A side, Corie, I know you talked about your NPS scores with purchasing customers and what you're seeing in the store. You've caught what feels like a lot of labor over the past few years or past couple of years. Are there any metrics that you're seeing, whether it's non-purchasing customers, like close rates versus people walking indoor that are concerning to you? And then as you think about '24, given that you've comped negatively for this sustained period, is there just less flexibility to manage the labor component?

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Corie BarryCEO

I mentioned that NPS is one of the factors we're examining. We monitor a variety of operational and survey-based metrics, including the speed of in-store pickups and the quality of the curbside experience. We've noticed significant year-over-year improvements in product availability and associate availability, along with various products and pricing, and these have continued to enhance over the year. We are also observing improvements among non-purchasers. Therefore, we are monitoring both purchaser and non-purchaser trends, and improvements are evident in both groups. Additionally, we are keeping an eye on close rates, and the team is effectively measuring their performance and making progress towards their close rate goals. We have a comprehensive approach to tracking operational metrics and customer surveys. The team's ability to be flexible is commendable. Now, associates can opt into and become certified in multiple areas of expertise within the store, as well as in operations and sales roles, allowing them to move between stores within their markets. This flexibility allows us to adapt not only to overall consumer demand but also within specific markets based on shopping behavior.

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Chris HorversAnalyst

Got it. Have a great Thanksgiving.

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Corie BarryCEO

Thanks, you too.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Peter Keith of Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

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Peter KeithAnalyst

Hey, thanks. Good morning everyone. Happy holidays. Nice to see the membership program changes coming a bit more accretive than initially guided. Could you help us unpack that a little bit in terms of the drivers, if it's just removing the free installation or maybe that middle tier is trending a little more profitable than you thought?

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Matt BilunasCFO

Sure. The main factors contributing to the improvement in our rates are mainly four areas. First, the change in the My Best Buy program. Second, the growth in paid memberships over time and the recognition of those annual fees. The adjustments we made to the total tech program, particularly lowering fulfillment costs by removing free installation, also played a role. Additionally, the resumption of paid appliance and home theater installation contributed to the overall improvement. The main reasons we exceeded expectations include higher-than-anticipated paid installation volumes and lower-than-expected Best Buy claims and Apple premiums.

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Peter KeithAnalyst

That's helpful, Matt. Corie, everyone is very curious about product innovation, especially since there seems to be very little happening right now. Are there any small signs in stores, perhaps smaller products that we haven't considered, that might give us some optimism about new offerings driving sales?

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Corie BarryCEO

I believe there are quite a few signs of improvement. As mentioned earlier, the recent decline in consumer electronics is partly due to a lack of innovation while everyone has been focused on maximizing production or cutting back. However, we are starting to see a shift towards innovation. For instance, there's growing interest in larger screen televisions, particularly in the 77-inch and above segment. We've actually doubled our offerings in the 97-inch and larger TV category, which might seem surprising, but these are appealing to consumers looking for a better home entertainment experience. In major appliances, GE has introduced a new washer/dryer combo unit, which is a fantastic innovation for anyone wanting to do laundry more efficiently. In gaming, there’s a good supply of consoles and exciting new titles, plus some innovative handheld gaming options from ASUS and Lenovo. There are also various intriguing smaller gadgets, such as the Meta Quest 3 and Meta Ray-Ban sunglasses that capture photos and include audio features. In addition, items like automated bird feeders and litter boxes are drawing interest. It's noteworthy that despite being smaller products, they are paving the way for more significant developments in the market as we approach the second half of next year. We have talked about generative AI products and the chips designed for large language processing, which could expand beyond just computing. While we can't disclose everything on the horizon, we do see some promising products as our vendors are equally motivated to stimulate demand.

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Peter KeithAnalyst

Very good. Good luck with the holiday season.

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Corie BarryCEO

Thank you.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mike Baker of D.A. Davidson. Your line is open.

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Mike BakerAnalyst

Okay. Great. Thank you. And this was sort of touched on, but the promotional activity, I think you said it's up. Where is it versus plan? Do you expect it to get more promotional as we get through the holiday season? And you said this year it will be more traditional, i.e. Black Friday, Cyber Monday, the last few weeks, etc. Can you remind us how the holiday played out last year?

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Matt BilunasCFO

Sure. I believe we have effectively managed our promotional strategy overall. The promotions, including discounts and the variety offered, are higher compared to last year and in many instances, higher than pre-pandemic levels. This increase has not adversely affected our product margin rates because we are still benefiting from significant vendor funding to enhance sales. Looking ahead to the holiday season, we anticipate it will be very sales-focused, as consumers are actively seeking deals and value. Consequently, we expect this holiday season to resemble the pre-pandemic period, with shoppers focusing on major sales events around Thanksgiving, Cyber Monday, and the weeks leading up to Christmas. This pattern should be similar to what we observed in fiscal year 2020, although last year we did not see as much sales activity pushed into October as we do this year.

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Corie BarryCEO

And just to be explicit, what we actually had said, the promo environment was as expected. It was in line with our expectations in Q3. And you can imagine we're kind of taking what we're seeing and pushing that into Q4, but it hasn't been wildly outside our expectations.

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Mike BakerAnalyst

Got it. Okay. Thank you. If I could ask one more, and maybe you can't answer this, but you did talk a lot about some crowding out in that dynamic with the higher inflation. Well now all of a sudden, the inflation concern is turning to deflation concern. Asking you to look into your crystal ball, how that could impact your sales results next year if the inflation goes away and we're more in a deflationary environment?

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Corie BarryCEO

Yeah. I mean we've been pretty consistent as we've talked about the effects of inflation. We've been pretty consistent in saying, where it's putting pressure on the consumer is because it's in those key basic areas of need, fuel, food, lodging, consumables like the stuff you just kind of need every single day. And that's what's been eating into a lot of that pent-up savings, especially for some of the lower-income demographics. So if you start to get into a world where you see more disinflation in some of those areas, then as you would expect, you start to free up some of that share of wallet for potentially getting back into goods or some of the kind of higher ticket purchases. And so we're watching that carefully. Right now, it's still very elevated compared to especially pre-pandemic, slowing down, and to your point, people start to talk about it, which over time, I think, could present some opportunity for people to move back into the goods space, also, of course, depending on how elevated that spend remains around services and things like vacations and spending outside the home.

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Mike BakerAnalyst

Yeah. Makes perfect sense. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate the color.

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Corie BarryCEO

Thanks.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Steven Zaccone of Citi. Your line is open.

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Steven ZacconeAnalyst

Great. Good morning. Thanks very much for taking my question. I wanted to ask a question on average selling prices. So it sounds like it was flat, slight improvement. What drove that improvement on a sequential basis by category? And then as you think about the fourth quarter, can you talk about your outlook for units versus ASPs?

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Matt BilunasCFO

We will discuss the improvements in average selling prices by category. Overall, we are beginning to see ourselves move past some of the reductions in average selling prices that we've experienced over the last several quarters. It appears that we are starting to overcome some of the deflation in average selling prices. This is partly due to consumers shifting towards certain products, such as TVs, which tend to lower overall prices because they are significant purchases. As we move past this period, we are beginning to notice some relief in sequential average selling prices. In Q4, while we have faced overall pressure on units, we anticipate improvements in some of our larger categories. Specifically, we expect an increase in TV units and notebook units. The situation is somewhat varied, but these are among the key areas of improvement.

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Steven ZacconeAnalyst

Okay. Great. Thanks. And then Corie, I had a question. Just thinking about next year, I think you alluded to more stabilization and the potential for growth in the back half. I guess I was curious, how do you see the recovery playing out? We're waiting for the tech refresh cycle. But if the overall promotional environment stays challenging, how do you think about the recovery from market share position or maybe if the consumer is willing to trade down, how are you positioned to outpace the industry overall?

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Corie BarryCEO

So if I think about how the last year has played out, this industry has largely been in a very promotional stance for over the last year. We've been pretty consistent in saying promos are back to, if not greater, than FY '20 levels. So this is not a new phenomenon for us. So even as we head into next year, we're lapping that. Even in that environment where you've seen that level of promotionality, as Matt said, we've sustained our share position. So I think the team has done a beautiful job positioning us well in a very promotional environment. I wouldn't be surprised to see that environment continue into the first part of next year. Again, we're lapping that kind of similar environment last year. I think what starts to make the back half, in our view, potentially more interesting next year is really a function of the innovation cycles. We can start to see a line of sight toward even read a little bit about, especially on some of the computing and processing side, devices that might start to feed into that as we head into the back half of next year. And back to Peter's earlier question, we can start to see on the horizon, some of that newness and innovation really on the docket as you head into the back half and into holiday for next year as everyone again, it's pretty incented to want to bring some vitality back to the industry.

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Steven ZacconeAnalyst

Thanks very much for the detail. Have a nice Thanksgiving.

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Corie BarryCEO

Yeah. Thanks. You too.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jonathan Matuszewski of Jefferies. Your line is open.

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Jonathan MatuszewskiAnalyst

Great. Thanks for taking my question. First one is on the competitive landscape. So you held market share in 3Q, and that's consistent with your comments in the first half. Obviously, you guys have superior customer service and assortment. So what's driving the success among competitors in the industry who you're tracking who are taking share? Is it purely a function of price? And how is that informing your pricing strategy over the next couple of quarters?

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Corie BarryCEO

Again, I'm probably biased, but I don't think it's purely a function of price. I think we've been very clear; we have to be price competitive, and that is one of the base tentpoles of our strategy. That said, I think we also have a team that has a proven track record of very adept promotional planning around key drive times, whether that's some of the secondary holidays or whether it's the main holiday that we're headed into. So I kind of think of price as the primary tentpole. But in order to differentiate, I think what we're doubling down on is what we do that is different than anyone else just given who we are. We are agnostic to the customer. So we don't care what the operating system is or who makes the hardware. We're there for the customer to help them build on that. We have what we like to call human-enabled services. So we can help you in the store. We can consult for you in your home. We can repair. We can take back. We can trade in. You can buy open box. You can go to an outlet. We just have a huge end-to-end variety of solutions all the way from inspire to support, so that's the second differentiator for us. The third, I think we're building on those things with a unique membership program with unique offers that reach out to our members with a membership program that's based on the things that we uniquely do well. Fourth, I have to give major credit to our vendor partners as well, even though we're in a little bit of a slower innovation cycle, they remain closely committed to our success. This means we do have everything from the most new beautiful 98-inch TV that's out on the floor, all the way to those opening price point Chromebooks or opening price point televisions that might be right for you at a value play. I think our ability to showcase those high-end new experiences as well as all the way through the rest of the assortment really is that last differentiating piece for us.

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Jonathan MatuszewskiAnalyst

That's great color. Thanks so much. And then a quick follow-up on Best Buy Health. You've had some exciting announcements on that side of the business in terms of partnerships in the industry. At the Investor Day, I think you called out expectations for that to grow at a CAGR of an impressive 40% over the next couple of years. Is that business at scale to switch from kind of dilution to accretion in terms of the overall enterprise next year? Any thoughts there would be helpful.

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Corie BarryCEO

Yeah. So we remain really excited about the Health business, and we were pretty clear that we had pulled the FY '25 targets on hold as the macro backdrop has changed. We are, of course, working behind the scenes to really fortify that business for the future. I know someone had asked earlier as we think about the puts and takes for next year, we would continue to expect Health to become more accretive, and we laid that out as kind of our structural thesis at our Investor Day. That part of the thesis remains true for us. While it still is relatively small at this point, we are seeing some nice uptick, particularly in that kind of care-at-home side of things, where we've announced partnerships with Geisinger and with Atrium Health as we think about how we can use our unique Geek Squad assets as well as the unique product assortment that we have to help deliver care at home. So again, relatively small, but the team is doing a nice job continuing to ensure that part of the business is accretive and grows over time.

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Jonathan MatuszewskiAnalyst

Thanks so much.

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Steven Forbes of Guggenheim. Your line is open.

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Steven ForbesAnalyst

Good morning, Corie, Matt.

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Corie BarryCEO

Good morning.

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Steven ForbesAnalyst

Matt, you briefly mentioned 15 to 20 basis points of vendor funding being recorded in expenses. Curious if you can maybe give us a little more color there? And then any sort of different way of thinking about how vendor funding maybe supports the margin outlook for 2024? Or are you changing the 2024 margin color of being able to hold margin in a flat sales environment? Any update there?

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Matt BilunasCFO

First of all, the impact on net basis points was $15 million to $20 million. This will continue into the next quarter and the early part of next year. This is strictly a geographical adjustment with no change to the overall financial statements; we are merely reallocating costs from cost of sales to SG&A. We receive various forms of vendor funding for different purposes, and when we can specifically match this funding to offset certain costs, we record it as an offset to SG&A instead of cost of sales. This is simply a part of the vendor funding we receive. We anticipate this will keep happening. Regarding your second question, we're not providing guidance for next year yet, but we expect product margins to have a neutral effect next year. Overall, we do not foresee significant material changes. We maintain a strong relationship with our vendors who are also eager to promote sales and showcase their products and innovations, so we don't expect any changes looking ahead to next year.

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Corie BarryCEO

Matt hit on this, but I want to underscore, the way in which our vendors participate with us varies as you would expect, depending on what we're seeing in the macro. Sometimes that shows up as more promotional partnership. But a lot of times, that shows up in very different ways; it can be in how we think about specialized labor, it can be in store experiences like we mentioned on the call, it can be in our Best Buy ads business or in supply chain fulfillment or in services. I think what's important is our overall level of invested support has grown in the aggregate even as we compare it to pre-pandemic levels. That is the part that for us as important is how can we be the very best partner to our vendors as we collectively want to bring, especially some of this newer innovation to market.

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Steven ForbesAnalyst

Thank you, Corie and Matt. Maybe just a quick follow-up for you, Corie. Any updated thoughts on some of your newer growth initiatives such as device lifecycle management, really just trying to think through whether the current sort of operating performance or challenges that are out there are impacting the investments you plan to put behind some of these initiatives? Or whether that's still sort of a growth plan for next year?

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Corie BarryCEO

Yes. In relation to device lifecycle management, I want to elevate the discussion a bit. We've previously mentioned Geek Squad as a service, which encompasses device lifecycle management—a relatively new aspect—as well as providing services for vendors, like being an Apple authorized service provider or through our Best Buy business offerings where we handle installations on a larger scale. The advantage of this initiative is that, particularly in the initial phases, it doesn't necessitate significant additional investment. We already have Geek Squad City, a large facility staffed with trained experts, which allows us to utilize some of their capacity for device lifecycle management. We can then make informed decisions as this initiative grows. We didn't highlight it in this quarter because, in Q4, it isn't our primary focus. However, there are possibilities to leverage our existing expertise and capacity in interesting strategic initiatives. We are enthusiastic about this initiative and the opportunities it presents. You can anticipate that we will provide more updates as it progresses. Thank you, and I believe that's our final question. I appreciate all of you joining us today. Thank you for your kind wishes. Wishing you all a wonderful holiday, and we look forward to updating you on our results and progress in our next call in February. Thank you, and have a great day.

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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