Walt Disney Co (The) (DIS) — Q2 2024 Earnings Call Transcript

Good morning. It's my pleasure to welcome everybody to the Walt Disney Company's Second Quarter 2024 Earnings Call. Our press release was issued earlier this morning and is available on our website at www.disney.com/investors. Today's call is being webcast, and a replay and transcript as well as the second quarter earnings presentation will all be made available on our website after the call. Joining me for today's call are Bob Iger, Disney's Chief Executive Officer; and Hugh Johnston, Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Following comments from Bob and Hugh, we will be happy to take some of your questions. So with that, let me turn the call over to Bob to get started.

Thank you, Alexia, and good morning, everyone. Our strong performance in Q2 demonstrates we are delivering on our strategic priorities while building for the future. Overall, this was another impressive quarter for us with adjusted earnings per share up 30% compared to the prior year. And I'm pleased to say this outperformance raises our full year adjusted EPS growth target to 25%. Our results were driven in large part by our Experiences segment and our streaming business, which achieved an important milestone with the entertainment portion of the streaming business reaching profitability in the quarter. This is a testament to the turnaround we set in motion last year and the outstanding leadership of Disney Entertainment Co-Chairman, Alan Bergman, and Dana Walden. It is particularly noteworthy when you consider we reported peak losses only 18 months ago. We also remain on track to reach profitability in our combined streaming businesses in Q4. We've said all along our path to profitability will not be linear. And while we anticipate a softer third quarter due in large part to the seasonality of our India sports offerings, we fully expect streaming to be a growth driver for the company in the future and we have prioritized the steps necessary to achieve this. In March, we successfully launched Hulu on Disney+, bringing extensive general entertainment content to the platform for bundled subscribers, and we're encouraged by the early results. And by the end of this calendar year, we will be adding an ESPN title to Disney+ giving all U.S. subscribers access to select live games and studio programming within the Disney+ app. We see this as a first step to bring ESPN to Disney+ viewers as we prepare for the launch of our enhanced stand-alone ESPN streaming service in the fall of 2025. The key to our success in streaming and what consistently brings consumers back for more is the array of exceptional content we produce that captivates audiences of all ages and backgrounds. Looking at our film studios, we have a number of highly anticipated theatrical releases arriving over the next few months, including Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, which opens this Friday, as well as Pixar's Inside Out 2, Marvel's Deadpool and Wolverine, and 20th Century Studios' Alien: Romulus, which are all slated for this summer. Later this year, we're looking forward to Moana 2 and Mufasa: The Lion King. And in 2025, our slate remains just as robust with Captain America: Brave New World, Fantastic Four, Elio, Zootopia 2, and Avatar 3. Our series also continued to resonate with audiences and critics alike. FX's Shogun has proven to be a global hit, with success on both linear and streaming. It's tracking as FX's most watched show ever on our streaming platforms, and it's driving the second largest number of sign-ups to our streaming services since 2022, behind only Black Panther: Wakanda Forever. This is a great example of how we are successfully reaching wider audiences with our combined linear and streaming ecosystem. In Q2, series that aired on linear networks accounted for 17 of the top 20 most viewed series on our streaming platforms, with almost 3 billion hours of consumption. Our linear channels are deeply embedded in our direct-to-consumer strategy as they continue to deliver high-quality content that reaches demographics not captured on streaming alone, allowing us to broaden our audiences and leverage our unmatched content engine across an expansive base. Turning to ESPN, sports continues to stand out when it comes to convening large audiences with recent big ratings wins across a variety of sports. ESPN had a fantastic April in terms of total day viewership, the highest April since 2012. For Primetime viewership, it was ESPN's highest April on record. The NCAA Women's Final Four in Cleveland was the most viewed on record and the championship between Iowa and South Carolina was ESPN's most viewed college basketball game ever, men's or women's. We also saw record-breaking ratings for the WNBA draft. Monday Night Football had its most watched season since 2000, and the NFL postseason also broke viewership records. The divisional playoff game between the Houston Texans and Baltimore Ravens was ESPN's most watched NFL game ever with 32.4 million viewers. Looking at our experiences business, which remained an impressive financial driver in the quarter, we are focused on turbocharging growth with a number of long-term strategic investments. That includes our Disneyland Forward initiative, the first step in our expansion plans at Disneyland Resort, which received unanimous preliminary approval by the Anaheim City Council last month. This was a significant milestone, and the final vote is expected to take place this evening. We're incredibly excited for the many potential new stories our guests could experience at Walt's original theme park, including the much-anticipated opportunity to bring Avatar to Disneyland. When you consider all of our businesses as a whole, from entertainment to sports to experiences, it's clear that no one has what Disney has. The turnaround and growth initiatives we set in motion last year have continued to yield positive results, and we are executing against our ambitious strategic priorities with both speed and determination. To walk you through more of our results from the quarter, I will now turn things over to Hugh.

Thanks, Bob. Diluted earnings per share, excluding certain items for the second fiscal quarter were $1.21, reflecting the second quarter in a row of strong double-digit percentage year-over-year earnings growth. We also met or exceeded all of our financial guidance for the quarter. And as Bob mentioned, we are now targeting adjusted EPS growth of 25% for the full year. At our Entertainment segment, second quarter operating income increased by over 70% versus the prior year, driven by direct-to-consumer. Entertainment DTC revenue increased 2% sequentially and 13% year-over-year, generating operating income of $47 million. These results exceeded our guidance, primarily due to expense savings. Core Disney+ subscribers increased by $6.3 million in the quarter, reflecting nearly 8 million additions domestically driven by charter entitlements and a slight loss internationally from the impacts of wholesale deal changes and price increases. Disney+ core ARPU increased sequentially by 6% or $0.44 reflecting price increases for the domestic premium tier as well as international ARPU growth, partially offset by lower ad-supported ARPU domestically, driven by dilution from charter entitlements. The recent Charter deal also drove Disney+ ad tier subscriber growth in the quarter. We ended Q2 with 22.5 million ad tier subscribers globally. We are pleased with the progress we're making in streaming, although as we've said before, the path to long-term profitability is not a linear one. On that note, we are forecasting a loss for entertainment DTC in the third quarter, the vast majority of which is due to Disney+ Hotstar's ICC Cricket rights. We also do not expect to see core subscriber growth at Disney+ in the third quarter but anticipate sub growth will return in Q4. As Bob mentioned, we continue to expect our combined streaming businesses to be profitable in the fourth quarter and expect further improvements in profitability in fiscal 2025. At Entertainment linear networks, a decrease in operating income versus the prior year was primarily driven by lower affiliate and advertising revenue domestically and lower affiliate revenue internationally. And at content sales, licensing and other lower Q2 results versus the prior year reflect the absence of significant theatrical releases in the quarter. For Q3, we expect this business to generate modestly positive operating income, an improvement over the prior quarter and prior year. Moving to sports, second quarter operating income decreased slightly versus the prior year, driven primarily by a decrease at ESPN, offset by improved results at Star India sports. As expected, at ESPN, lower results at the domestic business reflect higher programming and production costs from the timing of an additional college football playoff game in the quarter versus the prior year, which were only partially offset by higher ad revenue. Domestic affiliate revenue also decreased in the quarter. ESPN domestic ad sales increased by more than 20% versus the prior year or high single digits when adjusted for the college football playoff timing shift of an additional game as well as a new NFL divisional playoff game in Q2 of this year. Q3 to date, we are seeing healthy demand driven by the NBA playoffs and domestic ESPN cash ad sales are pacing up. At Star, higher results in Q2 versus the prior year include the impact of a decrease in programming and production costs attributable to the non-renewal of BCCI cricket rights. Looking ahead, note that we are currently expecting to incur linear ICC rights expense at Star India in Q3. At Experiences, second quarter revenue grew 10%, operating income grew 12%, and segment margins expanded by 60 basis points versus the prior year. Parks and Experiences OI increased by 13% year-over-year and consumer products OI increased by 7%. Strong international Parks growth was driven by Hong Kong Disneyland Resort while Walt Disney World and the Cruise business both contributed to domestic growth. At Disneyland, despite growing attendance and per capita spend, results declined year-over-year due to cost inflation including from higher labor expenses. We continue to expect robust operating income growth that experiences for the full year. However, third quarter OI is expected to come in roughly comparable to the prior year. Several non-comparable or timing-related items are expected to adversely impact Q3 results, including timing of media and tech expenses, non-comparable items in the prior year at consumer products and the timing of Easter. Beyond these comparability-related headwinds, the third quarter's results will be impacted by three additional factors, higher wage expenses, preopening expenses related to the Disney Treasure and Adventure Cruise ships as well as Disney Cruise Line's New Island Lookout Cay and some normalization of post-COVID demand. As it relates to demand, while consumers continue to travel in record numbers and we are still seeing healthy demand, we are seeing some evidence of a global moderation from peak post-COVID travel. While pressures from wages, preopening costs, and demand impacts are expected to persist in Q4, we do expect year-over-year experiences operating income growth to rebound significantly in the fourth quarter due to fewer comparability or timing factors. On an enterprise level, we continue to make good progress on our cost efficiency initiatives and remain positioned to exceed our $7.5 billion annualized target. We still expect to generate over $8 billion in free cash flow this fiscal year and the shareholder return goals we've previously mentioned are also still very much on track. We repurchased $1 billion of stock in the second quarter. We continue to position the company for long-term growth and profitability and are making tangible progress on generating compounding earnings and free cash flow growth, which will enable us to continue returning capital to shareholders. I'll now hand the call back to Alexia for Q&A.

Thanks, Hugh. And with that, operator, we're ready for the first question.

So first, thanks for that detail on Parks and Experiences and what you expect in the third quarter. I just wanted to dig into some of those demand comments a little more. So as you start to lap some of the post-COVID rebound, what's your expectation for attendance maybe at the domestic level and at the global level as you start to exit fiscal '24 and into '25? Do you think things will continue to be stable? Or are any of those softening trends sufficient that you expect attendance to have any kind of year-on-year declines? And then on the DTC side of things, Hugh, I think you've talked about a double-digit operating margin as the aspiration. I was wondering if you could just give us any timing as to when we can expect those types of margins? And maybe you could speak to the underlying performance of DTC excluding Hotstar since I think you're going to be consolidating that next year?

Great. Steve, happy to weigh in on both of those. First, in terms of attendance, what we're basically communicating is relative to the post-COVID highs, things are tending to normalize. The Parks business did 10% growth in the quarter. And obviously, that's an extremely high revenue number. That said, we still see in the bookings that we look ahead, indicating healthy growth in the business. So we still certainly feel good about the opportunities for continued strong growth. In addition to that, just to comment a bit more on the timing. As I mentioned on the intro, we do have some one-time expenses occurring in Q3. If we were to back out one-timers both for Q3 and Q4, we expect OI for the quarter to be in the mid- to high single-digit range for Q3 and to be double digit for Q4. So certainly feel like the Parks business is still doing very well. Obviously, we've got the best in the business in terms of product, and people still have a strong desire to vacation and come to see us. With regard to DTC margins, a couple of comments on that. First, our goal with this business is to make it a great growth business with healthy margins. We want both, not one versus the other. We've got a lot of levers that give us strong reasons to believe that there's good growth in front of us, whether it's the great programming we have, whether it's higher engagement through bundling, and we've got examples of that coming in Latin America as well as adding the sports tile, the ESPN tile to our Disney+ offering. Obviously, we've already added Hulu. In addition, password sharing remains an opportunity. We're just getting started on reducing distribution costs or an opportunity and leveraging technology for direct-to-consumer marketing as well as recommendation engines, which help both on the revenue and cost side. Ultimately, we'll be building out the international business even more strongly. So from the perspective of building the business, it will be a combination of both managing costs more tightly but also growth, which will allow us to leverage the cost structure we have right now. We feel very positively about that. Specific timing, I'm not going to comment on for margins. I don't like to get ahead of the next year until we get to the next year. In addition to that, from a competitive perspective, I'd rather not give my competitors the pathway and exactly how and when we're going to achieve the margin goals we're looking to achieve. But overall, the business is in great shape, and we feel good about the growth prospects.

Two questions. Bob, on ESPN, there's obviously a lot of focus on the NBA. You've got a lot going on in terms of new product launches, rights packages coming up. You sound as bullish as ever on sort of pivoting this business. Can you just talk about the next kind of 12 to 18 months and what we think ESPN looks like a couple of years from now? Specifically, if you think you can grow this business from an OI point of view while navigating what is clearly a still inflationary sports rights environment? And then I would love to just get your perspective on the health of the IP at your studios. I know we've talked about this a lot since you've come back into the CEO role. But specifically, there’s a lot of Marvel content coming, both on TV and film over the next couple of years. That's an area investors are particularly focused on. How are you feeling about the pipeline on the Marvel side specifically and whether you think this IP is being reinvigorated to the extent you'd like it to be?

Thanks, Ben. First on ESPN, I think you have to start in terms of projecting the next 12 to 18 months and also considering where it might go from an OI perspective, as it transitions more to a digital business. You have to look at today and the ratings success of ESPN's phenomenal menu of sports product or the ratings success of live sports in general across the business. I mean what you saw with the women’s NCAA basketball championships. But across the board, I mentioned in my comments, what the April numbers looked like, the highest April on record, as it for instance, in Primetime at ESPN. So I see sports continuing to shine in a world where there's just considerably more choice. Live matters. The other important thing is the engagement that live generates. I mentioned in my comments, which we haven't really talked about much. And I guess a lot of attention has been on the JV that we announced as well as on flagship, which is taking ESPN direct at the end of '25. But at the end of this year, we're going to put an ESPN tile on Disney+ which will have a modest amount of programming, but it's a start in terms of essentially conditioning the audience or subscribers to Disney+ and Hulu, the fact that sports is going to be there. It also will help us in terms of overall engagement with our bundle. As I look ahead, I think ESPN is going to make a pivot toward digital, but without abandoning linear. So it will remain on linear if people want to get ESPN and its different channels through cable or satellite subscription, that's fine. If they want to pivot smoothly because there will be many different access points to get the digital product to ESPN Digital. They can do so as part of a bundle with other sports services. They can do it directly from ESPN with the ESPN app or they can do it as part of a bundle with our own services. So I feel very bullish about it. You also have to look at the menu of sports rights that ESPN has bought, and Hugh did a good job describing this on the air this morning in one of his interviews. First of all, we've locked up long-term deals with significant sports organizations. That includes college football championships, all the NCAA championships, and the NFL. We're confident or optimistic we're going to end up with an NBA deal that will be long term in our best interest and the best interest of our subscribers. Then you look at all the studio product, there's really nothing like ESPN in the sports world and their hand is solid for the next decade. So I feel very bullish, a smooth transition to digital, multiple touchpoints for the consumer, quality programming, and sports in general live being very, very attractive in terms of its programming. IP at the studio, I've talked a lot about this, as you know. We feel great about the slate coming up, including three of the big movies that we have with Planet of the Apes this weekend, followed by Inside Out 2, which is a great film. Then Deadpool, you mentioned, coming in July. At the end of the year, we have Alien, and at the end of the summer, and then we've got Moana 2 and Mufasa at the end of the year. We've been working hard with the studio to reduce output and focus more on quality. That's particularly true with Marvel. I know you mentioned television shows. Some of what is coming up is a vestige of basically a desire in the past to increase volume. We're slowly going to decrease volume and go to probably about two TV series a year instead of what had become four and reduce our film output from maybe four a year to two to a maximum of three. We're working hard on what that path is. We've got a couple of good films in '25. Then we're heading to more Avengers, which we’re extremely excited about. Overall, I feel great about the slate. It's something, as you know, that I've committed to spending more and more time on. The team is one that I have tremendous confidence in, and the IP that we're mining, including all the sequels that we're doing is second to none. So I feel really good about what's coming up.

I will also have two different topics. First, on advertising, direct-to-consumer. Can you give us your thoughts going into the upfront, particularly with the integration of the Trade Desk and Google's TV 360? How does that impact advertising? And any comment you can give us on pivot sharing, like when will you implement it in a multitude of borrowers or sharers? And then last thing on DTC, but ESPN+ lost subs, which was a little surprising. Can you give us some color on what happened there? And then turning to Sports. Bob, you mentioned the confidence of getting the NBA for a long-term contract. But I guess everybody is expecting that you'll pay a lot more, probably get fewer games. Is there any comment that you can give us on your outlook for profitability with the new contract? And will the inclusion of the NBA negotiations open the door to strategic investment?

Sure, thanks for the question, Jessica. I believe that was two parts, if I understood correctly. Regarding advertising, the market is currently quite healthy as we approach the upfronts, especially in live and sports segments. We are optimistic about our offerings, particularly our premium options in both sports and Disney+. The advertising landscape does have an increased supply due to a competitor entering the ad tier, but overall, we feel we are in a better position than a year ago with strong momentum in most categories. Auto might be an exception, along with some electronics, but demand remains high. We expect to adjust to the supply increase and be well-positioned as we enter next year. Password sharing will start next month in select markets as we address improper password sharing. This will expand globally in September, and we are optimistic about it. We are encouraged by Netflix's success in their password sharing initiative, as we believe it will contribute to our growth moving forward. It's also essential to recognize that Netflix is a benchmark in streaming. Our programming quality is strong across ESPN, Disney+, and Hulu. We are developing technology that Netflix has leveraged for years to enhance our business profitability, starting with password sharing and other initiatives mentioned by Hugh. I am confident this is a vital and effective step toward achieving the double-digit margins he discussed. As for the NBA, I won't comment on profitability or package costs, except to say we view the NBA as a premium sports asset with significant growth potential and strong demographics. We are optimistic about the package we will secure to ensure ESPN's continued success in the sports television market. I won't provide further details at this time, but we'll share more information when there's an announcement.

And then last on your question around the timing on ESPN+ subscriptions. That's normal seasonality. That's one of the challenges when you look at things from one quarter to the next; the seasonality tends to get ignored. But the end of college football season, we do typically see a decline. So nothing out of the ordinary there.

One for Bob and one for Hugh, if I can. Bob, back to sports; just maybe more broadly, as you think about which sports rights to invest in, how important is securing global rights to drive the international growth for ESPN or even Disney+ as part of your analysis to drive returns to combat the sports rights increases? And then for Hugh, as a follow-up to the theatrical slate that Bob was speaking about before, can you help investors think about the Disney studio profit potential and success and maybe even relative to pre-COVID peak levels?

I'll start on the sports question. We have selective rights to international sports that we've licensed largely for the United States. We also have an array of sports rights in Latin America, many of which came with the acquisition of 20th Century Fox. We're being selective about adding international rights right now where possible; where the opportunity exists, we're doing so. But we're not investing heavily at this point in growing international rights, except again, where we can buy them along with the rights that we're licensing for the United States. It's an opportunity for us to plant the seeds of more growth for ESPN outside the United States, but we're walking before we run in that regard.

And then, Robert, to answer your question about studio profitability, as I look back, studio profitability has some cyclicality to it. We feel very good about the upcoming slate. That business should get back to profitability, and we certainly feel good about it being a healthy, profitable business over time. Beyond that, I don't want to get into quarterly guidance of a subcomponent of one of our segments, so it's just getting a little too low into the details.

In terms of the theme park business, maybe Hugh or Bob, if you could talk about the growth framework that anchors your CapEx plan. It's obviously a pretty significant plan over the next decade. The business has grown over mid-single digits for a very long period of time. How much upside do you see to this trajectory over the investment horizon? And then, Bob, from a succession planning perspective, you've obviously been highly engaged with the Board on this. Could you talk about what your goal is in terms of the hand-off? What do you hope to achieve in your tenure before the next CEO takes over?

Okay. I'll take the first one. Regarding the investment in the parks, you know the financials of that business well. It's a 25-plus margin business and has been for an extended period of time, has terrifically high guest satisfaction scores, which create layers of advantage, which would suggest we should be able to sustain high margins and high returns on investment. With the business with that profile, you invest in it. We know there are lots of opportunities to continue to grow attendance, both domestically and internationally. The cruise business, frankly, is one that has an enormous number of opportunities for us over time. That is why we're leaning heavily into that business. We're not investing capital to achieve poor returns. We expect to get excellent returns out of the business, particularly in cruises, given the margin profile and the fact that it's got the highest guest satisfaction scores in the company. This leads just to conclude, this is a business with a lot of runway left in it, and that will deliver great returns to our shareholders.

Regarding succession, Kannan, as we've said before, the Board is heavily engaged in the process and has appointed a succession planning committee that is meeting regularly to not just discuss, but also to manage the process. I'm confident that they will choose the right person at the right time. To the extent that I can, I'll participate in the smooth transition.

Bob, engagement on Disney+ has been declining a bit based on the Nielsen gauge data, although I guess it's ticked up a bit here recently at Hulu. But ESPN tile definitely makes sense, but can you talk about efforts to boost viewership on the platform, including the revamp of the technology and maybe the UI that you referenced last quarter? When should we expect to see these benefits or that technology rolled out? Anything you can tell us about engagement for users on the new combined Disney+ Hulu platform? So that's one, I guess, with multiple parts. And then, following up on ESPN+, again, you lost subs again this quarter. What's the plan for that service once the flagship platform is launched next fall?

John, I'm happy to talk about engagement a little bit on the platform. As I mentioned earlier, the things that we believe drive engagement still represent significant incremental opportunity for us, number one, programming; having terrific programming is obviously the leading factor. With what we've been introducing recently, whether it's Shogun, whether it's The Bear over the next couple of years on the TV side and obviously the terrific movie slate that's right in front of us. As we window it into the streaming service, we think that's going to do great things for engagement. In addition to that, things like recommendation engines obviously increase engagement because people are getting more of a sense of what it is that they want to watch based on the suggestions that we make. In addition to that, we see bundling as an opportunity. Sports bundling, which is why we're putting the ESPN tile on. In Latin America, we're combining all into the Disney+ app. Again, all this is geared towards driving engagement. Overall, you can be confident we've got a laser focus on driving engagement because we know it leads to subscriber satisfaction and it leads to lower churn over time.

And John, your second question was about our strategy for ESPN+ once we launch flagship? Was that the question?

Yes, exactly. I mean is that going to remain a separate service sort of alongside the full-blown ESPN streaming service once that's launched next year?

The plan is that if you purchase the ESPN flagship, you will also receive all the ESPN+ programming. If you prefer not to have that, you can buy ESPN+ separately. Additionally, with the tile we are adding to the combined Disney+ Hulu app, ESPN+ subscribers will be able to access ESPN+ through that tile.

Maybe following up on the studio commentary from earlier. As you noted, your upcoming slate is a number of sequels, and that's a strategy where you've had a lot of success in the past. But as you look out over the medium term, how do you think about the balance of leaning on established franchises versus investment in new IP? And then separately, when we look at your summer releases, there are several films from 20th Century Fox IP. So I wanted to see what opportunity you think there is to bring more titles from the Fox library to the forefront?

We're going to balance sequels with originals, particularly in animation. We had gone through a period where our original films in animation, both Disney and Pixar were dominating. We're now swinging back a bit to lean on sequels. We’ve talked, as you know, about Toy Story and obviously, Inside Out this summer. I just think that right now, given the competition and the overall movie marketplace, there's a lot of value in sequels, obviously, because they're known, and it takes less in terms of marketing. In terms of Marvel specifically, it implies there too. We actually have both Thunderbolts as if for instance, is coming up in 2025 as an original. Then, of course, we mentioned Deadpool this summer, which is a sequel. I talked about Avengers and Captain America coming out in 2025. It will just be a balance, which we think is right. In terms of 20th Century Fox, we continue to look at the library to see what can be mined. I mentioned Alien earlier. We talked about Avatar 3, which is coming, obviously, Planet of the Apes where there might be more opportunity pending the success of the film to do more. I don't think we'll necessarily lean into the library, but we'll continue to look opportunistically at it.

Two questions. First, can you expand or give us an update on the charter partnership? You mentioned a couple of times. I know it was the first quarter of that kind of new relationship or at least new structure. So the questions are, how did that subscriber base perform from an engagement perspective? How was churn? Did the quarter reflect the full impact at this point from a financial perspective? And is this a template that you do expect to use more frequently going forward? So that's the first topic. And then second, I wanted to ask about licensing content. And what your view is or your updated view of licensing your content off-platform? What the growth opportunity is there and whether you kind of look at the so-called Netflix effect is something you could benefit from by licensing off-platform or whether you want to create that effect yourselves on your own platform and keep content in-house?

Yes. I'll take the first question on this. Look, it's very early days, obviously, in terms of the Charter deal. During the quarter, it was only in place for a couple of months. That said, we're happy with it so far. We obviously have gotten added subscribers. Also, cannibalization has not been very high, and overall, the engagement has been good. As for it being a template for the future, I don't think I would go to that level. Each of these deals in many ways has to be architected to the specific needs of the partner and our own needs. I don't think I would think of it as a template for the future, but it's been a successful deal for us and for Charter, so we feel good about it.

We are already doing some licensing with Netflix, and we're looking selectively at other possibilities. I don't want to declare that it's a direction we will go more aggressively or not, but we certainly are taking a look at it and being expansive in our thinking about it. We had previously thought that exclusivity, meaning our own product and our own platforms, had huge value. It definitely does have some value. But as you know, we're also watching as some studios have licensed content to third-party streamers, and that then creates more traction and awareness. In effect, it increases not only the value of the content from a financial perspective but just in terms of traction. So we're looking at it with an open mind. But I don't think you should expect that we'll do a significant amount of it.

Okay. Thanks for the questions, and I want to thank everyone for joining us today. Note that a reconciliation of non-GAAP measures that were referred to on this call to the most comparable GAAP measures can be found on our Investor Relations website. Let me also remind you that certain statements on this call, including financial estimates or statements about our plans, guidance, or expectations and drivers, including future revenues, profitability, DTC subscribers free cash flow, adjusted EPS, and capital allocation, as well as other statements that are not historical in nature may constitute forward-looking statements under the securities laws. We make these statements on the basis of our views and assumptions regarding future events and business performance at the time we make them, and we do not undertake any obligation to update these statements. Forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from the results expressed or implied in light of a number of factors. These include, among others, economic or industry conditions, competition and execution risks, including in connection with our business plans, potential strategic transactions and our content cost savings, the market for advertising, our future financial performance, and legal and regulatory developments. In particular, our expectations regarding DTC profitability, subscriber levels, and ARPU are built on certain assumptions around subscriber additions based on the future strength of our content slate, churn expectations, the financial impact of Disney+ ad tier pricing decisions, bundling, and availability of Hulu on Disney+, technological advances, and paid sharing efforts, our ability to continue to rationalize costs while preserving revenue and macroeconomic conditions, all of which, while based on extensive internal analysis as well as recent experience, provide a layer of uncertainty in our outlook. For more information about key risk factors, please refer to our Investor Relations website. The press release issued today. The risks and uncertainties described in our Form 10-K, Form 10-Q, and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. We want to thank you for joining us and wish everyone a good rest of the day.